Freestyle Can I get some constructive criticism?

[hink320]

I'm still trying to master the set up wake flip. I've read every helpful post about flipping I can find and in my head I know what I'm supposed to be doing, but I still can't land flips and ride them out. For the longest time my timing and setup wake sucked and I feel like I'm getting much better at it, but I'm still not where I want to be. Hopefully some guys that have it mastered can tell me what I'm doing wrong or how I could improve. I probably only have a couple more days of riding left before it gets too cold and I want to start riding out my flips before the year is up.

This video was taken today:

 

[deftons56]

Try and go a little slower on approach, looks like you have it you just need more height and less distance. And as you come around you need to pull the bars in to your chest to get the nose around. Looking good though!

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[Wakerider26]

I agree with what deftons56 said. I would also drop the nose down further into the trough of the setup wave. That way when you gas it, you travel upwards.

 

[hink320]

Cool, that's kind of what I gathered too, I'm lucky my girlfriend is willing to come out to the lake and brave the cold to record me so I can see what I'm doing wrong. I can see that I'm losing height by travelling a greater distance so thanks for the tips on how to change that.

 

[onlyFX-1]

The first half of your flip looks good, right after take off up until you are almost horizontal. At that point if you tuck up instead of going past the laid out point you would come around more. Just like a figure skater, when they start a spin their arms are fully extended then they pull them in close which speeds up the spin. Laying out and pushing away from the ski slows down rotation. Tucking up speeds up rotation.
Watch this older vid of me on a 100lbs gen 2 BOB with a SS865. At 1:50 you can see how tucked I am.

http://youtu.be/eJG_6mjYUkI

 

[Philip Clemmons]

What's your prop/engine setup? I'd say flow down as well, and listen to Jace on body position. Sounds like your ski is maxed out before you leave the wave at that speed.

 

[McDog]

Could you elaborate on what "tucking up" is? I'm not following you.

 

[onlyFX-1]

See in his vid when his ski gets to horizontal with the water the upper half of his body is bent backwards, almost even with the back of his ski. Believe it or not that will kill the rotation. You can see in my vid, the flip at 1:50 after my ski is horizontal with the water I bend my knees, elbows bent so my bars are to my chest and my weight is over the middle of the ski.
The only times I lay out in a flip is when I know I'm going to over rotate.
When you tuck up your not forcing the ski, you are letting it do the work

 

[McDog]

Holy crap I think that is my problem. Im throwing it all trying to force it around. I had thought I wasn't arching enough. I wish I had a running ski to go out on tomorrow and see.

 

[onlyFX-1]

I use to do the same thing when learning how to flip. After countless times landing on my head or nosing them in I hit up Joe (Jeckert) and he gave me those same pointers. Once I started tucking up I starting landing them

 

[zzylstra]

I agree, arching the back doesn't get a ski around at all, it's the "flow" of ur attempts when u will nail them. One thing to look forward to and I had an idea this would happen when I was training, once that first flip, after so many failed flips, comes around. It is muscle memory. Trust me ur brain takes over, it happens. Alot
Of people say my motor is damn near as powerful as SS 850s. It only looks like that cuz I trained and trained and trained to make the most out of what I have

 

[hink320]

Thanks guys! I'm hoping tomorrow doesn't get too cold and I'm going to head out there again and try to tuck instead of arching back. Try to drop my nose down lower into the bottom of the wake too.

My setup is Dasa 1200, 148 skat setback, 14/21 impeller, 89 and 91mm nozzles. I know, I know...with a 1200 I should be able to flip no problem, trust me it's frustrating. I bought a big motor to make up for lack of skill but I still can't land a flip.

Philip what do you mean when you say "it sounds like your motor is maxed out before you leave the wave at that speed"?

 

[Philip Clemmons]

Sounds like it revs quick, which works great for a slower style, that depends on bottom end. If you're already carrying speed, youre using mid to top, and it may not have enough "gear" left to accelerate all the way up the wave. It's about matching setup to riding style. Your style looks to be a bit fast, but your boat sounds like its setup for idle/slow/bottom end power. Just my opinion, but I've played with a ton of pump/engine set-ups recently. Best bet for now is to slow down a touch and stay flexed/forward.

 

[hink320]

Went out and tried some more flips again today, unfortunately I think it will be the last ride of the year, it's getting pretty cold now. It was too cold for my girlfriend to stand on the dock and take video so I set up my GoPro. I was trying to focus on tucking, but I couldn't completely get away from arching back. I feel like I'm getting better already tho. Thanks for the help, I'll be back at 'er in the spring.

 

[deftons56]

If you get on the gas right when you land you will ride away from those, looking good.

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[hink320]

Thanks, I know I should be riding those out, it's still kind of surprising when I get all the way around and I forget to give it gas lol.

 

[jeckert]

Also, try adding in the slower approach like Phil said and see what happens...faster takes offs, take more flipping experience (no pun intended!).

 

[Mark44]

You need a new GF also.

 

[XJCrawler]

It's -25 degree's Celsius, I dont think he'll find any girl to keep doing video. She's a trooper

 

[Mark44]

It's -25 degree's Celsius, I dont think he'll find any girl to keep doing video. She's a trooper

Canada right? O come on sure he can.