Custom/Hybrid carbon or glass for flatwater amature

[mike b]

I am looking into some aftermarket hulls. Im liking the freaks and BOB hulls right now. Was talking to some people and they were saying not to get carbon fiber when riding on choppy water or hitting boat wakes. Especially if your a beginner in freestyle riding because of the times you fail or smack the water wrong. Would the carbon hulls (superfreak badass) be a bad hull to use for my first ski? Should i get a fiberglass hull for my first hull? He spoke about stress cracks and the bottom blowing out...anybody have any kind words of wisdom?

 

[Dutchie]

If i would buy a AM hull it would be a fiberglass. Better price and still light as hell..

A heavy ski rides more stable. And i have ridden some fiber hulld. They ride so light compared to a SJ or kawi. The differance is insane!!

I you do sick tricks you want to lose more and more weight, then the carbon would be nicer.

In surf and wavy water you need a somewhat heavy ski to keep balance better.

Issues with strenght i dont know about.

For the money, i dont think a carbon ski comes close to a fiberglass for a rec. freestyle rider.

Greetings,

 

[JetManiac]

I am looking into some aftermarket hulls. Im liking the freaks and BOB hulls right now. Was talking to some people and they were saying not to get carbon fiber when riding on choppy water or hitting boat wakes. Especially if your a beginner in freestyle riding because of the times you fail or smack the water wrong. Would the carbon hulls (superfreak badass) be a bad hull to use for my first ski? Should i get a fiberglass hull for my first hull? He spoke about stress cracks and the bottom blowing out...anybody have any kind words of wisdom?

I don't know who you have been talking to, but sounds like the wrong person. The title of your thread says flatwater, so I assume that is what you ride ,and light is what you want for flatwater and that means carbon. SF badass would be a great first ski. Awesome handling and forgiving ski to ride. There is another company sold through Thrust making a glass version of the SF badass if carbon is out of your budget.

The carbon freaks hold up great to flatwater riding and surf so that is a non issue.

 

[Brian_216]

Carbon hulls are not only lighter, but stronger than glass. It's all in what you can afford. I would take the info you got here and compare it to what your friend told you... I think your friend may be giving you false info.

 

[Freakrider]

Buy it right the first time, carbon.

 

[mike b]

I don't know who you have been talking to, but sounds like the wrong person. The title of your thread says flatwater, so I assume that is what you ride ,and light is what you want for flatwater and that means carbon. SF badass would be a great first ski. Awesome handling and forgiving ski to ride. There is another company sold through Thrust making a glass version of the SF badass if carbon is out of your budget.

The carbon freaks hold up great to flatwater riding and surf so that is a non issue.

90-95% of the time i will be riding small lakes, rivers, or ponds. But there are times i go to bigger lakes and would like to start riding in rivers with boat wake to hit. So i mostly ride water where i have to set up my own wake, but there are some times ill will be riding places hitting the wake off the deep hull boats and the wakeboard boats which have wake a few feet tall...nothing like surf with those huge waves. But i want to have a hull i can learn freestyle tricks and not have the biggest motor to get me going. The BOBS are smaller than freaks so i would think i can get more jumping out of that hull. Plus between a glass bob and a carbon freak there is about a 3k-4k price difference which is more motor spending money ha

 

[wanderer1]

Carbon, do it once. Edit: real carbon not the hulls your drill and find a bunch of glass in them.

 

[mike b]

Carbon, do it once. Edit: real carbon not the hulls your drill and find a bunch of glass in them.

Im wanting a carbon badass. Think thats full carbon and not the fake stuff? lol

 

[Superjetjim]

Carbon, do it once. Edit: real carbon not the hulls your drill and find a bunch of glass in them.

Ha ha - so true, 'carbon composite' usually = skinned GRP!

 

[McDog]

Freaks are 100% strong as he77 carbon. U wont break one. I have flopped and flailed off of double up wakeboard wakes in every way possible and not even a stress crack. If by amateur you mean competing then carbon is only way to go because motor size is limited to 900cc.

 

[wanderer1]

Im wanting a carbon badass. Think thats full carbon and not the fake stuff? lol

Thanks for the update,my post had nothing to do with SF hulls, just info and a caution for you

 

[mike b]

Freaks are 100% strong as he77 carbon. U wont break one. I have flopped and flailed off of double up wakeboard wakes in every way possible and not even a stress crack. If by amateur you mean competing then carbon is only way to go because motor size is limited to 900cc.

I was meaning amateur just because i have ridden before so im not a beginner, but deff no pro to riding standups. Id love to compete if i could afford it or get enough time behind a ski to get good enough for that. Right now im only a rec rider, the rest is only in my dreams ha

 

[Brian_216]

Full carbon hull... 30 plus foot backflip off a double up and it has zero cracks...

http://youtu.be/DsSvuFILL5Y

 

[mike b]

Yeah i see them hold up on youtube videos, but those videos ususally have people who have some experence behind that ski. I think im just more worried becuase the first few times of a trick im sure i will not rotate enough (BF or BR). As long as the ski can take some hood landings from me. The rest i feel fine about with its strength

 

[TheBuzzard]

if you are doing nothing but flat water, you need the shortest , smallest hull you can get and the freak is not very short. plus they ride really flat. they are a great ski but not short enough for flat water only, unless you have a huge expensive drive train in it. i think a chan is the best bang for your buck right now. or there are probably a dozen used BOBs for sale within a stones throw from you............... you are not going to be getting big air, so bad landings and hull damage should not be much of a concern with any hull.

 

[mike b]

if you are doing nothing but flat water, you need the shortest , smallest hull you can get and the freak is not very short. plus they ride really flat. they are a great ski but not short enough for flat water only, unless you have a huge expensive drive train in it. i think a chan is the best bang for your buck right now. or there are probably a dozen used BOBs for sale within a stones throw from you............... you are not going to be getting big air, so bad landings and hull damage should not be much of a concern with any hull.

I meassure a BOB next to a -5 freak and they looked damn near the same length. How would a chan compare to a BOBs length. I don't think i could get on a chan because i hate how they look ha. But ill listen to some info if you think the chan is a great ski. What do you like different about the chan Buzzard?

 

[Brian_216]

Yeah i see them hold up on youtube videos, but those videos ususally have people who have some experence behind that ski. I think im just more worried becuase the first few times of a trick im sure i will not rotate enough (BF or BR). As long as the ski can take some hood landings from me. The rest i feel fine about with its strength

Nothing in indestructible. Some are just stronger than others, price and weight will then be the factor. I think you will be fine with just about any a/m hull you purchase. And if you are buying new the layup is something you can discuss with the hull builder. Go try a few hulls first so you are happy with what you bought.

 

[TheBuzzard]

any hull that rides very nose high is going to flip easier than one that rides flat. even tho the freak rides nose high at very very low speed, they plane out so fast, they dont plow much water and make a lousy setup wake, even holding the trim. steve just seems to have the layup infusion down and his chan construction quality is going to be hard to match. the chan plows for a good setup wake and plains out at higher speeds, so its still rideable. setup wake is going to be very important if you dont have huge power. i think the chan is a -11? i seen some lames flipping chans with nothing power plants and thats a seller for me. or it could be that the riders were like a fly taped to the bars since the ski was basically riderless.power to weight ratio............

 

[mike b]

any hull that rides very nose high is going to flip easier than one that rides flat. even tho the freak rides nose high at very very low speed, they plane out so fast, they dont plow much water and make a lousy setup wake, even holding the trim. steve just seems to have the layup infusion down and his chan construction quality is going to be hard to match. the chan plows for a good setup wake and plains out at higher speeds, so its still rideable. setup wake is going to be very important if you dont have huge power. i think the chan is a -11? i seen some lames flipping chans with nothing power plants and thats a seller for me. or it could be that the riders were like a fly taped to the bars since the ski was basically riderless.power to weight ratio............[/QUOTE

very true and good points. I might have to see a chan in person then. I just love to freak look and its got me hooked, but the performance is what really matters. I did like how the freak handled because i could ride around and then jump with ease. I do like to cruise around too, not just ride around in a circle and do tricks. But if you say the chan can plane out then that is something i might need to see in person

 

[ProSouth]

-10 freak or a circus. You won't ever have to buy another ski. Even the -4.3 freaks can ride nose high if you want it too. Circus hulls are still rideable at higher speeds and stable all around. The Chans are extremely nice too. Good quality and a great ride. Chans are a bit easier on the wallet.