cnc program for cylinders

ATS_Aaron

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I'll probably come off as a dumba$$ here, but could you get a big solid piece of carbon fiber and machine a cylinder out of that? Basically make special sleeves that had bases too so that you didn't crush the carbon fiber while bolting the head on. And make the top of the sleeves really big to they actually had the head bolts threads built into the sleeves.

Possibly install some long sleeves that the head to case girdle bolts would pass through again so you don't crush the CF when bolting it together.

Seems like a good palce to save weight.

Oh yeah, possibly a carbon fiber head with aluminum domes?

Aaron
 
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2XLR8 said:
How many companies need to make billet cylinders before the price drops enough to not be worth making them anymore. My guess is 4. The companies with the knowledge will leave this business and you will just have the copy guys that don't have the knowledge making them. I am willing to bet that the quality control will not be anywhere near the same. All this because some think this market is huge and there are guys waiting in line to buy this stuff. I think we need to support the companies that develop the products and not the ones that copy the products. If they leave then what new products are they going to produce for others to copy. If they themselves sold more maybe the price would drop. Listening to what people say in forums and making business decisions based on that is not the smartest thing to do. Just remember back when everybody was arguing that the 951 piston ADA billet cylinder would choke and be no good because the transfers were too small. What happened ? Now everybody wants to make a big bore billet cylinder. There is only a certain number of potential buyers.
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Well said.
Chris.
 
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GDFL said:
Honest curious question. What ever happened to your cylinders you were creating? I ran into a thread about them the other day while searching for something else and then searched your site and didn't see anything.
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Honest answer is I am running the one I made on my own ski and I am just building an engine for a freerider using one. I never seem to get time to make a run of them so have never really promoted them. I have put in another CNC VMC (about 4 weeks ago) so hopefully things will get better soon and I will clear our backlog and get on with it. The market isn't very good for stroker cylinders over here and I probably will never sell them in the US because of the exchange rate and the number of other people making them. Instead I have been busy with other parts & stuff.
Chris.
 
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ATS_Aaron said:
I'll probably come off as a dumba$$ here, but could you get a big solid piece of carbon fiber and machine a cylinder out of that? Basically make special sleeves that had bases too so that you didn't crush the carbon fiber while bolting the head on. And make the top of the sleeves really big to they actually had the head bolts threads built into the sleeves.

Possibly install some long sleeves that the head to case girdle bolts would pass through again so you don't crush the CF when bolting it together.

Seems like a good palce to save weight.

Oh yeah, possibly a carbon fiber head with aluminum domes?

Aaron
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Something like that could be made, but the overengineering and manufacturing of it would be costly.
 
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I have a drawing for cnc cylinders as well as stroker cranks.
I just dont think the market is big enough to make a run of them.
In reality how many would you actually sell.
 
The Penguin

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I don't think so Aaron - I think you'd have to totally re-design for a CF chamber. wall thicknesses, webbing, and bolt reinforcing would all have to change from an AL cylinder.

Think about the exhaust manifold and how it bolts to a regular cylinder...that area would have to have some reinforcing and you'd have to figure out a way to get the inserts in there and keep them from rotating when you bolt up the cylinder.

would look cool as hell, especially if you could get it to be visual CF.
 
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People flinch at buying a COMPLETE top end for $2800.

Good luck with making it out of exotic materials.

Will seem like a bargain at that price.

Brian
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this is so true... in the manufacturing industry the work that goes into one of these billet cylinders would be paid...

... but commercially... everyday people wont pay the $$

there are products i sell in a highly competitive market and we are constantly fighting over price to secure buisness, but even at our best prices... if they were sold to the man on the street .. they wouldnt pay the price

trying to pry well erned "surplus cash" from the average joe is difficult
 
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GIL

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I am gonna 1 up everyone! When I rebuild my motor this winter I am gonna copy my Lamey cylinders using JB Weld!!! I will have like 20.00 tied up in a set of Lamey knock offs! Imagine my profit margins after that! Hell, I got a couple tubes of JB Weld in my motor now, so why not build 1 out of JB Weld?
 
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GilGoneRound said:
I am gonna 1 up everyone! When I rebuild my motor this winter I am gonna copy my Lamey cylinders using JB Weld!!! I will have like 20.00 tied up in a set of Lamey knock offs! Imagine my profit margins after that! Hell, I got a couple tubes of JB Weld in my motor now, so why not build 1 out of JB Weld?
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ATS_Aaron

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The Penguin said:
I don't think so Aaron - I think you'd have to totally re-design for a CF chamber. wall thicknesses, webbing, and bolt reinforcing would all have to change from an AL cylinder.

Think about the exhaust manifold and how it bolts to a regular cylinder...that area would have to have some reinforcing and you'd have to figure out a way to get the inserts in there and keep them from rotating when you bolt up the cylinder.

would look cool as hell, especially if you could get it to be visual CF.
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You got me there. I forgot about the exhaust flange.

Aaron
 
the WaTeRhAwK

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BS, just make a damned titanium motor with ceramic sleeves. Ti crank, bearing, cages, silicone-based rubber seals. screw a rev limiter.
 
zwaysfs

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because ti would be stupid heavy seriously who has the equipment and cahones to cnc my scandium aluminum apparently its also mono crystalline ill send the 3 blocks in trust if you can make the cylinders keep one then call me maby you can make pistons out of the stuff too
 
the WaTeRhAwK

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just get ahold of a kawi cylinder and start mapping it out with different outside dimensions, and start cutting. if you don't like it, cut another one. keep doing it until you come up with something we can use...lol

make sure it has pv's, too.
 
snowxr

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Well send your material to Brian at SB products along with $5800. He'll send you back 2 complete top ends for your kawasaki.
 
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