Dave Ramsey, debt, credit cards, retirement, etc

afcblink

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Yeah, I agree with Darin. Everything is a compromise. If you make decent money and your job is relatively secure, there's nothing wrong with some debt per say, as long as you have a pay down plan and stick to it. Not everyone becomes debt free over night.

Doug
Very true. Here's a perfect example: over the weekend, we had to replace 15 feet collapsed main sewer line. It was 2600 smackers -- more than we have on hand. And that's not the sort of thing you can just live with 'til you have the cash! We put it on a CC until our tax refund can pay it off in two or three months.

Dave Ramsey can say that "credit is NOT a tool," but it sure came in handy for us. Yes, discipline is important, but not flushing or washing dishes for a couple of months is an unacceptable sacrifice for us. Call us spoiled.
 

Matt_E

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However - had you had 6 months of living expenses in an emergency fund, you would not have needed credit.

Right? :biggthumpup:

Dave Ramsey doesn't start & end with "NO CREDIT CARDS, RARRR!!!!". In fact, only one of the 13 sessions of Financial Peace University deals with credit cards.
 
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afcblink

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However - had you had 6 months of living expenses in an emergency fund, you would not have needed credit.
I agree. But that takes time to accrue. I was referring to the original post that said, "Not everyone becomes debt free over night."

And "Debt is NOT a Tool" is the name of one of the chapters in Total Money Makeover.
 

Matt_E

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I agree. But that takes time to accrue. I was referring to the original post that said, "Not everyone becomes debt free over night."

And "Debt is NOT a Tool" is the name of one of the chapters in Total Money Makeover.


One chapter out of how many?
 

SeaLion

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I will totally take what you all have said into consideration. I totally understand what you guys are saying... Though if I wait say 4-8 more years until all my debts are paid off, the housing market could be and will probably be fully inflated again. Right now in southern california it is the time to buy. House prices are almost what they were 12 years ago. If I wait I could screw myself and have to a buy a house for $600,000 that right now is $225,000. Owning a house will also give me more disposable income due to lower income taxes, and my mortgage will be hundreds of dollars less a month than I am paying in rent now.

And I am not saying what you guys have recommended is not what I will do, I just have some more thinking and things to consider.

Trust me that home prices are not going up from $225K to $600K for probably 20+ years. They are still falling and will continue to fall for a couple of more years and then level off for many years after that. You would be better off waiting and saving more money in the meantime for 20% down payment and paying down your current debt. You will come out way ahead and you will be locked in at a lower purchase price for property taxes sake. In CA, your property taxes and not reassessed every year like most states. Don't believe the home ownership hype. There is nothing wrong with renting and renting is sometimes the best way to go. Rent is falling too so when your lease is up, you can negotiate a lower rate. Play it out with your head and not your heart and you will be way ahead in a couple of years.
 

Big Kahuna

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There is a time and place to rent.

We bought our first house 6 months after we got married. The monthly payment was only $100.00 more than our rent was. To us it was a no brainer. Lived in it 10 years. Paid 70k for it, sold it for about 110k 3 years ago.
 

SuperJETT

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There is a time and place to rent.

We bought our first house 6 months after we got married. The monthly payment was only $100.00 more than our rent was. To us it was a no brainer. Lived in it 10 years. Paid 70k for it, sold it for about 110k 3 years ago.

The payment was only $100 more, but when you add in the extra costs of owning vs renting, it's a lot higher and that's what gets a lot of people in trouble believing they can afford a house that's the same as their rent.
 

Big Kahuna

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The payment was only $100 more, but when you add in the extra costs of owning vs renting, it's a lot higher and that's what gets a lot of people in trouble believing they can afford a house that's the same as their rent.

That is true also............. look at the houses that are empty now where the people skipped out. Got one down the street, I got tired of the 1-2' tall grass and went and cut it.

But, when you have equity, you can use that in a pinch if you need it. With Renting, you do not build up anything other than any money you could save from not having the expense of owning. When I did Property Management years ago, we had a few people that had been renting the same houses for over 10 years.
 

SeaLion

Jet Ski Junkie
On the same token, there are a bunch of renters that are golden because they are not upside down on a house and could take decades to break even. Actually many are mailing in the keys to the mortgage co and becoming renters. Owning is great and renting is great too. There are a ton of variables. Currently, if I was a renter, I would hold off on purchasing, especially if I didn't have 20% down and I had other debt. Oxnard111 is in SoCal (I assume Oxnard from the name) where you are not going to buy a house for $70K, well not yet anyway. Another 20% drop is not unlikely in the coming years. It is not only the sub prime mortgages and interest only mortgages that are foreclosing. Unemployment is affecting many people and that will flood the market in the coming years with more and more foreclosures. Prices have not bottomed by a long shot. Rent, save, pay off debt for a couple of years and you will make the years following that exponentially greater for yourself.

If you don't take my advice and still want to buy now then do not get emotionally attached to a house you look at and possibly make an offer on? There is always and I mean always a better one and a better deal on the next one. If you have a girlfriend or a wife, I would sit her down and talk to her about the purchase being a business decision and not an emotional one. You will do much better going into it that way. Take your time and look and do your research. If you make an offer and don't get it, there will be another one and most likely a better one. There always is. I can guarantee that there always is so that is why I am saying to keep emotion out of it. It took my wife 3 months to realize this and now that I am showing her the houses we didn't get that closed at too high prices and what they are worth now, she finally gets it. There were people offering $30k over asking on some foreclosures we looked at. The banks play games, the real estate agents play games (yours and the sellers) and the lenders play games. I have had numerous calls back months later from houses we made offers on that we didn't get and that were supposedly pending but didn't end up closing escrow. They want to take my original offer and I said no thanks. We have moved on from that house and have found much better and cheaper. I did convince my wife to just wait and she now doesn't even want to move. We have a really nice house in a great neighborhood with lots of equity. Just cause she wants a single story instead of our current 2 story. She was all emotion and even made me make an offer on a house I was not comfortable with. I did it to not cause grief but the next morning she realized it was not the right one. We withdrew our offer right away and that was the turning point for her where she got it. That house ended up selling for $289,000 4 months ago and is now worth $219,000. It sold new in 05 for $475,000.
 
Finally I got all signed up on the TMMO website the book is on its way. I have been listening to the radio show striaght through while I am doing all this driving. I am so stoked to get going... I have $1000 for the EF but I am looking for the best money market account to put it it in... any ideas?

Also how does everyone budget for Jet-Skiing? Blow money or a seperate budget item for it?
 

SuperJETT

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I wouldn't worry about a money market account for the $1000, you're talking about maybe an extra $20/year?

We keep $1000 at our credit union linked as overdraft funding, and we can immediately transfer/withdraw that money if needed, the rest is at ING which takes a couple of days to transfer if needed.
 
Dave says on the website to put the $1000 for two reasons... 1) To make it have limited access so that you won't be tempted to spend it as blow money and you keep it put away for an emergency! 2) Eventually there will be much more than $1000 in the account... The EF will grow to 3-6 months expenses! It seems like you guys suggest ING or Centerybank....


Still Jett and others that are on the program how do you budget for ski repairs upgrades, maintance... blow money or a seperate budget item? I am working on trying to set-up my budget and hammer my debt but i want to be able to keep riding...
 

Matt_E

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Set it up how you think it will work best - just as long as it's budgeted for somehow.
 
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