Dave Ramsey, debt, credit cards, retirement, etc

BruceSki

Formerly Motoman25
Location
Long Island
Section 8 rentals make great money and you have a guaranteed check every month. I know a few people who buy dirt cheap in section 8 areas, put little money into the house then rent as a monthly income.
 

AtomicPunk

Lifetime bans are AWESOME
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Location
Largo, Fl
Section 8 rentals make great money and you have a guaranteed check every month. I know a few people who buy dirt cheap in section 8 areas, put little money into the house then rent as a monthly income.

Do they tell you when they replace all the carpet and paint every 3 months?

Section 8 housing can be OK if you are prepared to renovate frequently and work hard to keep them rented. Not for everyone.....
 

Mark44

Katie's Boss
Location
100% one place
No section 8 for me thanks. I like long term rentals and I enjoy never hearing from my occupants. The only thing I like to do is go to the mail box and collect checks. Kinda like christmas the first of every month.
 

SuperJETT

So long and thanks for all the fish
Location
none
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...retirement-confidence-survey-savings/6432241/

"About 36% of workers have less than $1,000 in savings and investments that could be used for retirement ... and 60% of workers have less than $25,000"

Other survey findings:

• Debt is weighing heavily on many people, with 58% of workers and 44% of retirees saying they have a problem with their level of debt.

• Like workers, many retirees are also short on funds, with 58% of them having less than $25,000 in savings and investments, not counting their primary residence or defined benefits plans (traditional pensions); and 29% having less than $1,000.

• Although 65% of workers plan to work for pay in retirement, only 27% of retirees say they are working for pay during their golden years.

Total savings and investments reported by workers, not including value of primary residence or defined benefit plans such as a traditional pension.

Less than $1,000, 36%

$1,000 to $9,999, 16%

$10,000 to $24,999, 8%

$25,000 to $49,999, 9%

$50,000 to $99,999, 9%

$100,000 to $249,999, 11%

$250,000 or more, 11%
 

Mark44

Katie's Boss
Location
100% one place
PORTRAIT Of A MILLIONAIRE
Who is the prototypical American millionaire? What would he tell you about himself?(*)
* I am a fifty-seven-year-old male, married with three children. About 70 percent of us earn 80 percent or more of our household's income.
* About one in five of us is retired. About two-thirds of us who are working are self-employed. Interestingly, self-employed people make up less than 20 percent of the workers in America but account for two-thirds of the millionaires. Also, three out of four of us who are self-employed consider ourselves to be entrepreneurs. Most of the others are self-employed professionals, such as doctors and accountants.
* Many of the types of businesses we are in could be classified as dullnormal. We are welding contractors, auctioneers, rice farmers, owners of mobile-home parks, pest controllers, coin and stamp dealers, and paving contractors.
* About half of our wives do not work outside the home. The number-one occupation for those wives who do work is teacher.
* Our household's total annual realized (taxable) income is $131,000 (median, or 50th percentile), while our average income is $247,000. Note that those of us who have incomes in the $500,000 to $999,999 category (8 percent) and the $1 million or more category (5 percent) skew the average upward.
* We have an average household net worth of $3.7 million. Of course, some of our cohorts have accumulated much more. Nearly 6 percent have a net worth of over $10 million. Again, these people skew our average upward. The typical (median, or 50th percentile) millionaire household has a net worth of $1.6 million.
* On average, our total annual realized income is less than 7 percent of our wealth. In other words, we live on less than 7 percent of our wealth.
* Most of us (97 percent) are homeowners. We live in homes currently valued at an average of $320,000. About half of us have occupied the same home for more than twenty years. Thus, we have enjoyed significant increases in the value of our homes.
* Most of us have never felt at a disadvantage because we did not receive any inheritance. About 80 percent of us are first-generation affluent.
* We live well below our means. We wear inexpensive suits and drive American-made cars. Only a minority of us drive the current-model-year automobile. Only a minority ever lease our motor vehicles.
* Most of our wives are planners and meticulous budgeters. In fact, only 18 percent of us disagreed with the statement "Charity begins at home." Most of us will tell you that our wives are a lot more conservative with money than we are.
* We have a "go-to-hell fund." In other words, we have accumulated enough wealth to live without working for ten or more years. Thus, those of us with a net worth of $1.6 million could live comfortably for more than twelve years. Actually, we could live longer than that, since we save at least 15 percent of our earned income.
* We have more than six and one-half times the level of wealth of our nonmillionaire neighbors, but, in our neighborhood, these nonmillionaires outnumber us better than three to one. Could it be that they have chosen to trade wealth for acquiring high-status material possessions?
* As a group, we are fairly well educated. Only about one in five are not college graduates. Many of us hold advanced degrees. Eighteen percent have master's degrees, 8 percent law degrees, 6 percent medical degrees, and 6 percent Ph.D.s.
* Only 17 percent of us or our spouses ever attended a private elementary or private high school. But 55 percent of our children are currently attending or have attended private schools.
* As a group, we believe that education is extremely important for ourselves, our children, and our grandchildren. We spend heavily for the educations of our offspring.
* About two-thirds of us work between forty-five and fifty-five hours per week.
* We are fastidious investors. On average, we invest nearly 20 percent of our household realized income each year. Most of us invest at least 15 percent. Seventy-nine percent of us have at least one account with a brokerage company. But we make our own investment decisions.
* We hold nearly 20 percent of our household's wealth in transaction securities such as publicly traded stocks and mutual funds. But we rarely sell our equity investments. We hold even more in our pension plans. On average, 21 percent of our household's wealth is in our private businesses.
* As a group, we feel that our daughters are financially handicapped in comparison to our sons. Men seem to make much more money even within the same occupational categories. That is why most of us would not hesitate to share some of our wealth with our daughters. Our sons, and men in general, have the deck of economic cards stacked in their favor. They should not need subsidies from their parents.
* What would be the ideal occupations for our sons and daughters? There are about 3.5 millionaire households like ours. Our numbers are growing much faster than the general population. Our kids should consider providing affluent people with some valuable service. Overall, our most trusted financial advisors are our accountants. Our attorneys are also very important. So we recommend accounting and law to our children. Tax advisors and estate-planning experts will be in big demand over the next fifteen years.
* I am a tightwad. That's one of the main reasons I completed a long questionnaire for a crispy $1 bill. Why else would I spend two or three hours being personally interviewed by these authors? They paid me $100, $200, or $250. Oh, they made me another offer--to donate in my name the money I earned for my interview to my favorite charity. But I told them, "I am my favorite charity
 

Quinc

Buy a Superjet
Location
California
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...retirement-confidence-survey-savings/6432241/

"About 36% of workers have less than $1,000 in savings and investments that could be used for retirement ... and 60% of workers have less than $25,000"

Other survey findings:

• Debt is weighing heavily on many people, with 58% of workers and 44% of retirees saying they have a problem with their level of debt.

• Like workers, many retirees are also short on funds, with 58% of them having less than $25,000 in savings and investments, not counting their primary residence or defined benefits plans (traditional pensions); and 29% having less than $1,000.

• Although 65% of workers plan to work for pay in retirement, only 27% of retirees say they are working for pay during their golden years.

Total savings and investments reported by workers, not including value of primary residence or defined benefit plans such as a traditional pension.

Less than $1,000, 36%

$1,000 to $9,999, 16%

$10,000 to $24,999, 8%

$25,000 to $49,999, 9%

$50,000 to $99,999, 9%

$100,000 to $249,999, 11%

$250,000 or more, 11%

I think the left wing news outlets are prepping us for the Obama 401k retirement plan. Aka another social security well for the government to "borrow" out of....
 

SuperJETT

So long and thanks for all the fish
Location
none
I think the left wing news outlets are prepping us for the Obama 401k retirement plan. Aka another social security well for the government to "borrow" out of....

Ok, not on USAToday, https://www.google.com/search?q=retirement+savings+statistics

Not one thing in that article is political, it's survey results. Don't try to turn it into something else.

BTW, how old are you and how much do you have in retirement accounts?
 

Mark44

Katie's Boss
Location
100% one place
Do they tell you when they replace all the carpet and paint every 3 months?

Section 8 housing can be OK if you are prepared to renovate frequently and work hard to keep them rented. Not for everyone.....

I prefer to lease upscale housing to the tenets of my choosing, this has been quite profitable and never have I had to wait on (OPM) other people’s money. No section 8 for me thanks.

I would not rent any housing I wouldn't live in myself. That is my business motto.
 

Quinc

Buy a Superjet
Location
California
Ok, not on USAToday, https://www.google.com/search?q=retirement savings statistics

Not one thing in that article is political, it's survey results. Don't try to turn it into something else.

BTW, how old are you and how much do you have in retirement accounts?


Yeah I had a discussion with someone earlier on our savior obama setting up a 401k for everyone so it was fresh on mind... 30 and I am on track to retire with a few million at 62. Assuming an 8% return.
 

SuperJETT

So long and thanks for all the fish
Location
none
Yeah I had a discussion with someone earlier on our savior obama setting up a 401k for everyone so it was fresh on mind... 30 and I am on track to retire with a few million at 62. Assuming an 8% return.

You're talking about the myRA which is just a low yield version of a Roth IRA that will be available to everyone and is capped at like $15,000. It's not going to do much in terms of enrollment or performance, just more politics. So, let's get this thread back on money...
 

SuperJETT

So long and thanks for all the fish
Location
none
post-tax 401k = Roth 401k (I have it at work)

There are different rules, but a Roth 401k is just employer based and can have a match which is pre-tax so has to go to a regular 401k.
 

BruceSki

Formerly Motoman25
Location
Long Island
So what is considered an early retirement these days ?

I'm aiming for 55. 27 years to go, hah.

They penalize us 3% per year for every year earlier than 62 you leave though. Might stay a few more just to take less of a penalty on the pension.

We have a guy still working here in his early 70's that makes less money to come to work than he would if he retired and collected his pension.
It's cool to retire with a lot of money but man I am going to make sure I have a plan to use it. Don't want to be old and miserable and keep coming to work because I have no social life or hobbies.

You've got to have a balance.
 
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