Freestyle Don't forget your registration!!

[Matt_E]

I have always been the Devils Advocate here......... No Reason to stop now........ Even though that "Dock" may have been a Dick, He just did his job. Without the paperwork, he had no way to know if these three were legit or were they 3 guys who went and stole someones ski's. They could not produce any paperwork on the spot to prove ownership, so, they did the best thing, they impounded the ski's and said "Provide all the correct documentation and they will be released pending verification of ownership". It was a pain in the rear for Zack, Jack and Stanton to deal with, but in the end it was still the correct action.

Well....the cop may have had an alternative, less severe course of action available to him that he chose not to take. (I don't know)
Fact: The boys didn't have legal boats.
Fact: Some cops are docks and will exhaust every option to make your life hell.
Fact: The above 2 facts combined on a fateful day.

Cops being dicks doesn't negate your obligation to have your stuff legal.

 

[Big Kahuna]

Well....the cop may have had an alternative, less severe course of action available to him that he chose not to take. (I don't know)
Fact: The boys didn't have legal boats.
Fact: Some cops are docks and will exhaust every option to make your life hell.
Fact: The above 2 facts combined on a fateful day.

Cops being dicks doesn't negate your obligation to have your stuff legal.

Well........ Either ski's were Legal or they Illegal.......... There are a 1000 different things that could have come into play. One of the other cops could have said "Hey, these guys are cool, I have seen them around plenty of times and they legit, lets give them a warning..................................................................................................................

Why you trying to make me look like an ass. I dont need know help with that!.

 

[OCD Solutions]

I got a written warning last summer by a Florida state trooper.
Trooper: "Do you know why I pulled you over?"
Me: "Yes"
Trooper: "Normally I wouldn't have pulled you for this type of infraction but my supervisor was in the car behind me and I would have gotten my ass chewed had I not stopped you."
Me: "I completely understand, do what what you gotta do, officer"
Trooper: "Damnit, he just pulled in behind us...tell you what, I can't just let you go now so I am going to have to give you a written warning at least. How does that sound?"
Me: "More than fair officer, thank you very much."
Trooper: "Sorry for the interruption, i hope you enjoy the rest of your day." "BTW, what are those in the back of your truck?"
Me: "Standup Jetskis"
Trooper: " Really, do they still make those?"
Me: "LOL, yes, yes they do,"

Moral of the story; They always have options.

 

[Snivilous]

Here's the side of the story no one seems to be considering...
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-G

What this guy said. Cops can be pricks, cops can be cool. But exactly what retroicon said, the riders are the ones at fault for trying to bypass the system and getting caught. If your ski got stolen, you'd wish all cops were as thorough as these cops were so you could get your ski back.

 

[dmpus]

Cops are good guys ... pulled us over for riding too close to shore. Yelled and cursed at us (lots of F words from the female lesbian cop.. ) because they got little wet for going out past the inlet, gave us tickets, then they found out my license has been suspended for some reason (I forgot to pay a court fee) and actually they did me a favour for letting me know about that. If they were land cops, I would've been cuffed.. ) 3 days later I got speeding ticket.. imagine if I still had suspended license, which I had no idea about. so yes, cops are good guys in my case

 

[Scorn800]

I have always been the Devils Advocate here.........

Really... I dynon't think I have ever see you do that?

A lot of cops are D-bags, dynon't give them excuss to pull you over

 

[btmboards]

Hey Matt, when you did registered yours did you have all your actual recites and what not, I just got off the phone with them, sounds like it is going to be a pain from here, but either way I can not find my any of my US composites recites. I called them but they said they don't keep recites on file in a way that they could get to it for me.

 

[98gti]

Theres good and bad ones, I think it depends on the area. In the past 5 years Ive had checks stolen from me at my buisness, a guy got caught attempting to break in my shop, and we had a serial arrsonist that set over 150 fires in our area, one of which would have burned us to the ground if the wind was blowing our way. Nothing was done about any of it, if I try to find out info about whats going on no one knows anything, and I get talked to like im the bad guy. So when that happens and then I get pulled over and given a ticket for my window tint I get a little irratated to say the least. I understand the aggravation from getting the skis impounded, but if the shoe was on the other foot and they were stolen from you, you would be greatful. Im sure you understand that by now though.

 

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

...So when that happens and then I get pulled over and given a ticket for my window tint I get a little irratated to say the least...

...gave us tickets, then they found out my license has been suspended for some reason (I forgot to pay a court fee) and actually they did me a favour for letting me know about that. If they were land cops, I would've been cuffed...

The Officers who wrote you the tickets did their part in generating revenue, arresting you (dmpus) and all the resulting increased amount of paper work (and possibly having to leave the beach) would bring them more hassle than reward. If they were "just doing their job" 'by the book' they should have arrested you as well since that's actually the more serious offense.

Here's why it's so important for the Police to write tickets:

In the 1990's Bill Clinton signed a law requiring all Police nation wide (except for undercover detectives) to have their head lights on at all times "For Safety", even when taking radar. The result of that was an immediate drop in tickets being issued because everyone would slow down as soon as they saw the Police cars, ideally that was bringing the exact result traffic patrols are supposed to impose on traffic - control.

Ironically this highly effective means of slowing down traffic came at an immediate cost - ticket issuance and lower resulting ticket REVENUE generation dropped an average of 40% nationwide (some districts were as high as a 60% loss of overall revenue generated). I remember that because locally the paper had a story about how the Police were drastically cutting down the number of Officers on patrol at one time due to money reasons, a situation which echoed nationwide. Clinton eventually not only repealled the law, but went to the opposite extreme and made it so Police could legally hide when taking radar and Police were encouraged to keep their lights OFF as much as possible to help generate ticket revenue. I've driven all over the eastern 1/2 of the USA, the universal thing I've seen is Police in most areas never have their headlights on unless driving at night - even though determined to be the "safer" thing to do. Generating revenue to pay their own wages thru issueing tickets is obviously a higher priority.

 

[Matt_E]

Hey Matt, when you did registered yours did you have all your actual recites and what not, I just got off the phone with them, sounds like it is going to be a pain from here, but either way I can not find my any of my US composites recites. I called them but they said they don't keep recites on file in a way that they could get to it for me.

I spent about an hour in MS Word and created a fancy letterhead invoice.

 

[MADMAT]

Hey Matt, when you did registered yours did you have all your actual recites and what not, I just got off the phone with them, sounds like it is going to be a pain from here, but either way I can not find my any of my US composites recites. I called them but they said they don't keep recites on file in a way that they could get to it for me.

I can't remember what I had given him to be honest. I would have to go in to his office and look. He is getting older (my agent) and I think he is getting ready to hand it off to his daughter.

I am getting the feeling I was never really covered seeing as how they can 't figure out and call me back!

If I just get no answer I am gonna be pissed and want some cash back and I'l be ditching Erie.


Oops...posted after MattE.....and yea I kinda remember having to do some word tinkering...

 

[Matt_E]

In the 1990's Bill Clinton signed a law requiring all Police nation wide (except for undercover detectives) to have their head lights on at all times "For Safety", even when taking radar. s driving at night - even though determined to be the "safer" thing to do. Generating revenue to pay their own wages thru issueing tickets is obviously a higher priority.

1. I don't see this locally with any police department nor the Staters.
2. Got a source for that bill? Because I cannot find it.
3. Bull.

 

[Snivilous]

Kinda offtopic, but how is having your headlights on when parked safer? And the cops around here don't hide, and as a rule don't pull over locals, just tourists lol.

My grandad was doing 75 in a 35 zone when a toll way was going into a city, he got pulled over and wasn't given a ticket. The officer asked if he was local, and he told the officer he was visiting his grankids. The officer said to be more vigilant of speed limits next time, and enjoy Colorado. Similar things to my folks have happened. On the opposite end of the spectrum, I get warnings that I'm going to fast through the no wake zone (which is stated at under 5 mph) when I have my idle set as low as possible and not even touching the throttle...

 

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

1. I don't see this locally with any police department nor the Staters.
2. Got a source for that bill? Because I cannot find it.
3. Bull.

There's a series of different publications under the name 'BOTTOM LINE', at that time I received the series called 'BOTTOM LINE: PERSONAL' (BLP) which reports on all kinds of random things from legal to health to finances to etc. They choose topics each publication in each of the different categories then interview one or more highly knowledgeable people involved within that topic. BLP always lists the names of those they interview, how those persons are knowledgeable and/or connected with whatever specific topic, and any other relevant info which brings justification to their knowledge (where they work, personal and/or business successes, education and/or any other accreditation's, etc.).

The original article about the headlight law for Police vehicles was back in the 90's sometime, they listed the Bill number of the proposed law, the date Clinton signed it, and when it went in to effect. About 6 months or so after the law went into effect BLP had another article updating the effects of that law which included greatly reduced ticketing rates Nationwide as per data released by the Federal Government - they also reported that Police Unions across the Nation were fighting hard to get the law repealed at that time. Eventually there was another article in BLP stating how the law was planned to be repealed by such and such a date and how a new bill was planned to be signed into law concerning Police being able to 'hide' (which is up to each individual State to allow or not allow 'hiding' and set their own rules concerning it) - both of which happened as reported.

Back then the Publication was only in print, so I don't know if they ever archived their older publications to an online accessible resource or not? Because of reading the original article I actually watched for the headlight thing to go into effect, which it did across the country (I even looked for it everywhere I went to race), and then saw the majority of the headlights off when the law was repealed. The average person who was oblivious to that law probably would have never noticed the change, other than Cops sticking out in traffic more because at that time they were one of the only vehicles with their headlights on during the day.

I also just remembered the original reason that was given for implementing this law was due to special interest groups that were trying to make automatic headlights mandatory on ALL new vehicles in the USA, they felt a 'lead by example' philosophy by having the Police do it was a way to sway the general public's opinion about driving with your headlights on during the day. Many manufacturers started implementing them but with great resistance by the general public who wanted to be able to turn their headlights off (for example when sitting in a drive-thru) and motorcycle groups who argued one of the only things that helped a motorcycle stick out in traffic was its' headlight being on (claiming if all cars and trucks drove with their headlights on during the day it would have the effect of having motorcycles not stick out as much resulting in more accidents). Eventually a compromise was reached by many manufacturers by going away from 'automatic only' headlights to having a 'normal' headlight switch which included an 'automatic' position on many vehicles.

 

[btmboards]

Like I said, one form and $29 to register as homebuilt, they give you a registration card right there and issue you registration, cf numbers and a HIN.

I have been looking online and really cant find anything with any information about registering or any of the forms needed, do you have a link or anything. After talking to WA auditors I think I am going to try to register it down here if I can. will be easier and sounds cheaper too. thanks

 

[Matt_E]

It was super easy to walk into the office and get it done. 10 minutes, 50 bucks (including 15 months of registration)

 

[kraqus]

Here:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/boat/boat101.htm




Benny

 

[btmboards]

It was super easy to walk into the office and get it done. 10 minutes, 50 bucks (including 15 months of registration)

If I am able to come home then I want to do it while I am in town but I am not sure when I will be up that way. Since they dont take things through email (fax only) it is going ot be a bit of a hassel. Also I will have to pay sales tax on what my estimated hull value is.

Here:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/boat/boat101.htm

Benny

Is this the only form I will need to fill out and bring to the dmv with me? when I do what all will I have to pay for and what other paper work will they need (receipts ect....)

 

[kraqus]

To be honest with you, they just want your money, so just WALK into the DMV with that form filled out and see what happens.
If you are missing something they will tell you, you come back and that is it.

I have never done it but when I was contemplating buying an aftermarket hull I did some research.
This is from a DIY Sailboat forum, I am glad I save the posting as it is no longer there.



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California (Frank Hagan)
California's Department of Boating and Waterways has a web site with the legal mumbo jumbo on it, but they don't really clarify how to register a home-built boat.
I'll explain how you register a home-built boat to be in compliance with the Legal Mumbo-Jumbo.
The Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) handles the boat registration.
The only thing they require is that you fill out form Boat 101, available at http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/boat/boat101.htm (thanks to John Wright in the rec.boats.building newsgroup for pointing out the correct form for me!)
On form Boat 101, you declare the value of the boat, which is the cost of the materials.
In California, you have to pay sales tax on any new vehicle purchases, so you have to show that you paid sales tax on the materials to build your boat. I have over 100 receipts, but they were happy with seeing just 10 of the largest ones (for lumber, plywood, sails, etc.) that showed I paid state sales tax when I purchased the materials. Those 10 receipts were about 1/2 the declared cost of the boat.

Once they get the form and your receipts, they issue a state registration number, and two license tags that have to go on the boat. They don't inspect the boat, they don't need to see a picture, they simply collect your money and give you the number. For a sailboat 16' long with a small outboard, with a declared value of $2490, the California DMV assessed a registration fee of $9. No kidding. Your local county is responsible for assessing the personal property tax portion of the bill (in my county, the county tax assessor sends a letter out asking for the value of the boat, and a picture, and they promise to send you a tax bill with your property tax bill. So far ... 3 years now ... I haven't seen the tax bill.)

If I hadn't kept the receipts, I would have had to pay sales tax on that $2490, which would have been many times the regular registration fee.
You also receive a HIN (Hull Identification Number) which must be placed on the starboard side of the transom, 2" from the deck, and either engraved, burned (yikes!), embossed or otherwise placed so that alteration or removal will be obvious.

Office Depot and other stationery stores sell brass nameplates that will work for this. I routed a recess in the transom, placed the plate in it, and covered it with a few thin coats of epoxy (and three coats of a clear varnish to protect the epoxy.)


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I hope this helps!



Benny

 

[btmboards]

Cool thanks benny I will get on this week and see if I cant get this thing taken care of and legal