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Hey all,
Alright, here's what's up, and what I know to be working...
First off, this is a 62t electrical system for a yamaha 701. Just to make sure we're all on the same page.
The problem is that my starter won't spin. I'm not concerned about spark, or timing, or anything else right now, I just want to get my starter spinning. Again, I don't care about spark... one step at a time.
The parts involved are:
New Battery - charged and working.
New Coil - New from JSS.
New MSD Enhancer - Brand new from box.
New positive & negative cables
New Start/Stop Switch
Used Relay - 2 different ones (don't assume yet!)
Now I've already eliminated the start/stop switch from the equation. It's not connected, and I'm manually jumping the brown/red wires to attempt to spin the starter. Also, the black/white part of the stop/start switch isn't connected either.
So I'm manually jumping the red/brown wires to attempt to spin the starter... please don't say to check the switch.
I know the starter works, and the battery is sufficiently charged to spin it because if I manually jump/short the two posts on the relay, the starter DOES spin properly.
So, the starter works for sure, and the battery is charged enough to spin it for sure. Both of those aren't the issue.
As I said, if I manually jump the 2 posts on the relay, the starter spins. This is the case with both of the 2 used relays I've attempted so far. To the best of my knowledge, both were working when pulled... but at this point I don't know what else it could be.
It's my understanding that, even if the coil was bad, and the enhancer was bad, the fact that I have all the positive/red cables connected together in the e-box, none of that should have any impact on the starter spinning when the red/brown wires are manually shorted to mimic pressing the start button.
And yes, before you ask, I've also eliminated the fuse as a potential problem... the fuse isn't in-line right now, I bypassed the fuse by removing it entirely, and just connecting the two ends of the red wire to each other, leaving the fuse sitting in my tray.
So... could I really have 2 bad starter relays?
The other thing I tried is unplugging the brown cable from the relay, and touching it to one of the terminals on the relay itself, and that spins the starter as well...
I'm just as a loss here.
The starter spinning, as I understand it, should be happening no matter what else could be wrong in the e-box, with the exception of the relay. If the enhancer was bad, shouldn't matter. If the coil was bad, shouldn't matter. If the switch was bad, that's not going to matter because it's not connected...
Is there anything I'm missing?
-Gary
Alright, here's what's up, and what I know to be working...
First off, this is a 62t electrical system for a yamaha 701. Just to make sure we're all on the same page.
The problem is that my starter won't spin. I'm not concerned about spark, or timing, or anything else right now, I just want to get my starter spinning. Again, I don't care about spark... one step at a time.
The parts involved are:
New Battery - charged and working.
New Coil - New from JSS.
New MSD Enhancer - Brand new from box.
New positive & negative cables
New Start/Stop Switch
Used Relay - 2 different ones (don't assume yet!)
Now I've already eliminated the start/stop switch from the equation. It's not connected, and I'm manually jumping the brown/red wires to attempt to spin the starter. Also, the black/white part of the stop/start switch isn't connected either.
So I'm manually jumping the red/brown wires to attempt to spin the starter... please don't say to check the switch.
I know the starter works, and the battery is sufficiently charged to spin it because if I manually jump/short the two posts on the relay, the starter DOES spin properly.
So, the starter works for sure, and the battery is charged enough to spin it for sure. Both of those aren't the issue.
As I said, if I manually jump the 2 posts on the relay, the starter spins. This is the case with both of the 2 used relays I've attempted so far. To the best of my knowledge, both were working when pulled... but at this point I don't know what else it could be.
It's my understanding that, even if the coil was bad, and the enhancer was bad, the fact that I have all the positive/red cables connected together in the e-box, none of that should have any impact on the starter spinning when the red/brown wires are manually shorted to mimic pressing the start button.
And yes, before you ask, I've also eliminated the fuse as a potential problem... the fuse isn't in-line right now, I bypassed the fuse by removing it entirely, and just connecting the two ends of the red wire to each other, leaving the fuse sitting in my tray.
So... could I really have 2 bad starter relays?
The other thing I tried is unplugging the brown cable from the relay, and touching it to one of the terminals on the relay itself, and that spins the starter as well...
I'm just as a loss here.
The starter spinning, as I understand it, should be happening no matter what else could be wrong in the e-box, with the exception of the relay. If the enhancer was bad, shouldn't matter. If the coil was bad, shouldn't matter. If the switch was bad, that's not going to matter because it's not connected...
Is there anything I'm missing?
-Gary
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