Other FAKE Rickter Alert!

Mdavies_02

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Did they not try to improve or alter something in the process? He is a direct replica ( I believe, hard to know without checking his website or resources....)

And he didn't alter the original product he cloned, he did it to a known, competitive model that took 10 years of a private companies time, and money to make.

I've never seen his work, or ridden it, but the nerve of this guy annoys me. I'm surprised he sacrificed XFS for XFU, its about the only modification I am aware of.
 
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Jetfiend said:
I'm willingl to bet that every A/M hull builder started out by splashing something - usually a superjet. So why is it okay for some and not others?
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Usually when a hull or part is splashed it's altered or improved in the process. OEM skis get splashed for race hulls, then made from S-glass and vinylester/epoxy with tweaks to the bottoms for better handling. Or, discontinued hulls (ie: FX-1) get splashed because they're difficult to replace otherwise. It's not cool to see a current aftermarket freeride/freestyle hull copied 1:1, let alone copied with the original company's logo permanently clearcoated on the sides to try and pass it off as genuine.

If Rickters only came in fiberglass and this guy made the first one in full carbon to save weight/add stiffness, if they had handling issues that he fixed in his design, or if Rickter went out of business and there was still a demand for the hulls, it might be a slightly different story. Instead he made a copy of a current hull and cleared Rickter's logos on it (or Blowsion logos per @scotts2t's post above) to capitalize on their branding. That's what makes it not okay. ;)

I agree on your original point though. It's not uncommon to splash something as a first project.

Mdavies_02 said:
I'm surprised he sacrificed XFS for XFU, its about the only modification I am aware of.
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XFU is an 'F.U.' to members of the X because he got caught and called out here. It's apparently our fault. :confused:

Mdavies_02 said:
but the nerve of this guy annoys me.
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On that note, he has genuine Snap-on rolling carts worth $10~12k minimum (plus the tools inside) but a fake Rickter. Makes no sense.
 
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Sparkplug

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Red Bluff CA
How about the irony of hating on someone that developed composite skills. Yet everyone on this site glorifies vendors that do no labor themselves, and price gouge the hell out of you. And you readily come back. Lmao. Priorities.

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Jetfiend

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Mdavies_02 said:
Did they not try to improve or alter something in the process? He is a direct replica ( I believe, hard to know without checking his website or resources....)

And he didn't alter the original product he cloned, he did it to a known, competitive model that took 10 years of a private companies time, and money to make.

I've never seen his work, or ridden it, but the nerve of this guy annoys me. I'm surprised he sacrificed XFS for XFU, its about the only modification I am aware of.
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I totally agree with you, he's probably a D-bag. I'm just saying that everyone starts somewhere, whether it's a direct copy or modified copy - I'd be very surprised if the first Rickter's were created from scratch.
 
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smoofers

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Sparkplug said:
How about the irony of hating on someone that developed composite skills. Yet everyone on this site glorifies vendors that do no labor themselves, and price gouge the hell out of you. And you readily come back. Lmao. Priorities.

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I don't think anybody is hating on his composite skills. More the fact that he blatantly copied RRP hulls. When this thread first started he wasn't selling the hulls as "clones". He was literally listing his skis as "Rickter XFS for sale". Looks like the dude's composite skills have gotten pretty good. At least since all the hate from the X he started declaring them as clones and not trying to pass them off as genuine.
 
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Jetfiend said:
I'm just saying that everyone starts somewhere, whether it's a direct copy or modified copy - I'd be very surprised if the first Rickter's were created from scratch.
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Agreed. Waterdawg Kustoms started out making 1:1 copies of Blowsion Kustoms composite products. Even the "Kustoms" got copied. People hated him for it. Now no one remembers because he moved past it, rebranded as "WDK" and makes his own line.

That doesn't make it right but does help illustrate your point. I'm sure others have had similar starts.
 
SmittySX

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TheBuzzard said:
since none of us ever went and tried to buy one of these hulls or skis, how do we know that he DIDNT tell the potential buyer that it wasn't an actual rickter, when the buyer was looking at it? some peasant knocking off a few hulls for personal or to recoup the cost of materials, seems a lot less scandalous than overcharging everybody buying a production hull.
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It had been pointed out in the previous thread that is now locked...
Originally, a kid had contacted me asking if I wanted to buy a Rickter xfs. I asked for more info. He sent me a picture of one of the first copied green and blue rickters Shawn made with a BB 850. The kid told me that was sold
To him as an "authentic" Rickter... That's where the line is crossed in my opinion. Making direct copies and selling them to younger guys that are new to the sport and don't know any better. Granted, the kid could have dont more research..
All I said is that they "look" good.. I didn't mean to beat a dead horse or fuel the fire..
 
air blair

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Who really cares? Really. Unless you have personally been effect by such. Look at the bright side. At least shawn helps American companies by buying in america, selling in america and living in American. That's one bonus for ripping off other peoples products. Besides has he screwed anybody lately.


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air blair said:
Who really cares? Really. Besides has he screwed anybody lately.
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Wait, you say we shouldn't care but then proceed to casually ask about the dude's sex life? Off topic, bro. Off topic.



:p

Jokes aside, I agree with you though. The irony is that this is being copied in America and taking a made-in-Thailand product back home. That is kinda funny, really.
 
Vumad

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air blair said:
Who really cares? Really. Unless you have personally been effect by such.
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We are all personally affected by such. Splashing undermines innovation. I have composite parts I have made that are marketable but I haven't even posted pictures of them because I know they would be immediately copied, or if I sold a few, splashed. One in particular for the X2 would be very popular, but until I'm ready to truly compete, they stay out of sight.

Developing any composite product is a lot of work. Hundreds of hours and tens of thousands can go into developing the first plug and mold. After that, production is fairly cheap (relatively). It takes a long run to turn a profit. When bragging rights of a one-off ski are more valuable than production, the sport suffers.

The development of the composite skills to splash a hull with blemishes and so-so layup is almost nill. I could teach you to do it in a weekend. Developing a perfect plug, a blemish-free mold and a high-quality layup with a good schedule (number of layers, etc) takes a LOT more work. It's the difference in effort between getting a 60% and a 100% on a test.
 
TheBuzzard

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37s QUOTE SAID) Jokes aside, I agree with you though. The irony is that this is being copied in America and taking a made-in-Thailand product back home. That is kinda funny, really.[/QUOTE]

I never thought of that but now that you mention it, I condone it for sure. taking money out of other countries pockets instead of it being the other way around and even better that its the little guy doing it as opposed to a huge company or government that none of us can relate to or benefit from. I can see BK not liking him about that shady prop deal tho.
 
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Turtle

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Laxpro2 said:
anyone know where they sell those knockoff hulls?
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There are only 2 or 3 craigslist links in here...if you are serious

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Big Kahuna

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TheBuzzard said:
37s QUOTE SAID) Jokes aside, I agree with you though. The irony is that this is being copied in America and taking a made-in-Thailand product back home. That is kinda funny, really.
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I never thought of that but now that you mention it, I condone it for sure. taking money out of other countries pockets instead of it being the other way around and even better that its the little guy doing it as opposed to a huge company or government that none of us can relate to or benefit from. I can see BK not liking him about that shady prop deal tho.[/QUOTE]
Forget my dealings, I would still not like him. He has sold crap to people and called it first quality........ If he wants to built hulls, Build his own design and there are no issues. I am all for the little guy to innovate. Go look at Toby or Hydrostyler, of even AirBlair here. (Yes, I believe blair started with a Rickter but then totally changed it.
 
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