WaveDemon
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is that what you wear while piloting you f TIE fighter?
Full Face Helmet w/ Waterproof or Water Resistant Liner?
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is that what you wear while piloting you f TIE fighter?
Peter123
C-Note
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- Houston, TX
It's what I'll wear if I ever do porn.
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Idok
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WaveDemon
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werd
Tanman
Jus' keep er' pinned
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I just wear a good moto-x style helmet and it doesn't bother me at all when it soaks up some water, its not that much more weight and you get used to it, they offer really good protection even though I have hit my face and got a concush through the face opening but most of the time it works, and thats all I will wear, looks good, works good, and im all set up for helmet cam action and ya, thats MO.
WaveDemon
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I'm hoping you were able to think more clearly before your concussion. When bars can come through the opening of a helmet and injure you it's not protecting you enough. Throw it away and buy a better helmet.
yamaslut
kill it
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no poop...
uh... yeah it works great except the concussion and the water logging... everyone go get one!!!!!
ha ha ha
WaveDemon
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lol
the only BMX/MX helmet I've seen with decent protection was modified with a bar bolted to the front of the opening.
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Dustin Mustangs
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It's the vertical bars that are going to save your ass, not the horizontal ones, and they both are the same in this regard. Yours does have better chin protection though, which I feel the white water one is lacking. There are ways around that though.
WaveDemon
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Sorry, but you're wrong. on a failed barrel roll (3/4) the bars don't come straight at you. they come from the side and knock your face sideways. if the bars are spaced far enough apart to let the bars though then a vertical bar in the middle isn't good enough for me.
In my opinion, Arai makes the best helmets in the world. I spent most of my legal career representing manufactures and/or suppliers in product liability cases. I handled a lot of helmet cases and have dealt with many helmet experts. I never represented Arai but, I have seen and/or reviewed the manufacturing and quality control processes of many helmet manufacturers.
Every helmet expert I respected concurred that Arai builds the best helmets and has the best quality control. Arai is the only helmet manufacturer that hand makes every helmet, no big Chinese assembly lines for Arai. All Arai helmets are individually inspected for quality, no random sampling at Arai. Arai also knows who inspected each helmet they sell.
Arai does not incorporate elements into its helmets if they do not contribute to the helmets purpose. You won’t see fancy wings, cool looking ridges or other cosmetic tricks like other helmets. Arai’s helmets are built based upon a shape they believe dissipates energy the best. Take the newest version of the VX-Pro, Arai changed the nose/mouth piece section to be more rounded to reduce the possibility of a neck injury from hyperextension if the nose guard dug into the ground during a face down crash. This was a subtle but, major change in what was already considered the best off-road helmet made.
I know Arai helmets are considered expensive however; Arai does not build helmets to meet minimum standards or to meet a marketing price point. Arai’s goal is to build the best helmets in motorsports and then sell them at a reasonable profit. If you research Arai you will see that so much more goes into their helmets than the other manufacturers.
Regarding Shoei, that would be my choice if I could not wear an Aria after trying all the optional liner options.
Every helmet expert I respected concurred that Arai builds the best helmets and has the best quality control. Arai is the only helmet manufacturer that hand makes every helmet, no big Chinese assembly lines for Arai. All Arai helmets are individually inspected for quality, no random sampling at Arai. Arai also knows who inspected each helmet they sell.
Arai does not incorporate elements into its helmets if they do not contribute to the helmets purpose. You won’t see fancy wings, cool looking ridges or other cosmetic tricks like other helmets. Arai’s helmets are built based upon a shape they believe dissipates energy the best. Take the newest version of the VX-Pro, Arai changed the nose/mouth piece section to be more rounded to reduce the possibility of a neck injury from hyperextension if the nose guard dug into the ground during a face down crash. This was a subtle but, major change in what was already considered the best off-road helmet made.
I know Arai helmets are considered expensive however; Arai does not build helmets to meet minimum standards or to meet a marketing price point. Arai’s goal is to build the best helmets in motorsports and then sell them at a reasonable profit. If you research Arai you will see that so much more goes into their helmets than the other manufacturers.
Regarding Shoei, that would be my choice if I could not wear an Aria after trying all the optional liner options.
WaveDemon
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I looked at the Arai helmets, It looks like a great way of spending a lot of money to still get your face smashed in.
The problem with high end expensive helmets is they're made to keep your head protected in a different environment than jet skiing. why spend all that money for a helmet that is meant for motorcycle specific use?
you aren't going to have a traffic style accident on a jetski unless you ride your ski on the trailer on the way to the water.
The problem with high end expensive helmets is they're made to keep your head protected in a different environment than jet skiing. why spend all that money for a helmet that is meant for motorcycle specific use?
you aren't going to have a traffic style accident on a jetski unless you ride your ski on the trailer on the way to the water.
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Dustin Mustangs
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So you're worried about meeting the pointy end of a handlebar but not about blunt force trauma Mr. Demon? I guess we all have different things that keep us up at night...
It seems some of you are more concerned about your mug than your brains. I would hate to guess what if any standards are followed in making a kayak helmet. My guess they are made in Korea or China like most helmets and painted with lead paint.
With any helmet there are risks and your face can be injured through the opening by any number of things but the thing that needs the most protection is your brain. To protect your brain you need a helmet that dissipates lots of energy over the largest area possible. Most people have no idea what types of forces can be generated at relatively slow speeds given the right circumstances. I bet quite a bit of energy could be generated with one of you free style guys loosing it on one of those massive back-flips and your head hitting the ski. If you really want a helmet with a face guard, buy a Riddell or Air Power football helmet. At least they are built to meet certain standards and do a pretty good job dissipating multiple impacts. They are also constantly trying to make their helmets better due to their use in the NFL and NCAA and as a result of the scrutiny they get from a small group of Plaintiffs lawyers who specialize in helmet cases who are always coming up with often ridiculous claims when a player suffers a head or neck injury.
If I am involved in any motorsport, I want the best helmet that provides the best protection of my brain and I am not willing to compromise to get a kayak face guard type of helmet. I don’t do freestyle, but I have watched it and can see a good helmet is needed. I am reminded that Bell helmets at one time was considered one of the top motorsport helmet manufacturers and they had an advertisement that has stuck with me and it was something like if you have a $10 head get a $10 dollar helmet.
If you are lucky, you will never need a really good helmet. However, if you need one and don’t have it, that may be the most expensive mistake you ever make.
With any helmet there are risks and your face can be injured through the opening by any number of things but the thing that needs the most protection is your brain. To protect your brain you need a helmet that dissipates lots of energy over the largest area possible. Most people have no idea what types of forces can be generated at relatively slow speeds given the right circumstances. I bet quite a bit of energy could be generated with one of you free style guys loosing it on one of those massive back-flips and your head hitting the ski. If you really want a helmet with a face guard, buy a Riddell or Air Power football helmet. At least they are built to meet certain standards and do a pretty good job dissipating multiple impacts. They are also constantly trying to make their helmets better due to their use in the NFL and NCAA and as a result of the scrutiny they get from a small group of Plaintiffs lawyers who specialize in helmet cases who are always coming up with often ridiculous claims when a player suffers a head or neck injury.
If I am involved in any motorsport, I want the best helmet that provides the best protection of my brain and I am not willing to compromise to get a kayak face guard type of helmet. I don’t do freestyle, but I have watched it and can see a good helmet is needed. I am reminded that Bell helmets at one time was considered one of the top motorsport helmet manufacturers and they had an advertisement that has stuck with me and it was something like if you have a $10 head get a $10 dollar helmet.
If you are lucky, you will never need a really good helmet. However, if you need one and don’t have it, that may be the most expensive mistake you ever make.
Cannibal
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I've heard the $10 head, $10 helmet thing plenty, and I do have an Arai car helmet that I was using when I used to track my M3, now I use it on my motorcycle. And if someone came up to me and told me that they were going to bash my head in with a baseball bat unless I give them $1000, trust me, I'm going to find me $1000 real quick.
A helmet's protection is based upon it's intended use. No one makes a helmet specifically for our sport, so we need to find something that works. Now, if the companies would put their impact standards with each helmet, it would be really easy to compare apples to apples, however, they don't. How can you guarantee me that helmet A protects me better than helmet B? If I go out and by a $300 helmet, is it going to protect me better than my $50 Bell downhill helmet? Those Kayak helmets are nice, and have some nice features and they will protect your face very well, but again, do they protect from a rear impact better than said Bell? Is the extra cost just for the features?
Here's the thing. Safety is a fine line. You can spend so much on safety equipment that you can no longer afford to do the sport any longer. Go to your local dirt oval track and you will find most of those guys still wear neck collars when they should be wearing a HANS devise. Why? Cost. We just want to participate in our sport while being reasonably safe for the risk we are taking. The most safe you can be is just staying home and surfing the web for porn, not much risk of injury there, well.... you could get carpal tunnel.
SJBrit
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- Bradenton, FL
You have to worry about both. The Cascade lacrosse helmets are expensive because they do both, and very well. I've taken my pole in the face and the CSX just softly cushions the blow - the chin strap works great for face shots. I've also had the ski land on my head in a failed backflip and impact hard enough to smash my carbon fiber nose piece - I barely registered the blow to my head.
As Tim said, you can pick them up for $100 or even less (buy one from your local sports shop out of lacrosse season, or search the internet). But even at nearly $200 I wouldn't hesitate to buy one.