Mark44
Katie's Boss
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I have a protech for in the water and in the dirt I have a $ 500 dollar bell helmet. It all depends on the value you put on your brain.
Mark44
Mark44
Full Face Helmet w/ Waterproof or Water Resistant Liner?
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SJBrit
Extraordinary Alien
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- Bradenton, FL
I realize you're talking about kayak helmets, but the lacrosse helmets are indeed held to industry standards and made in the US:
"Lacrosse Helmets are required to meet the National Operating Committee on Standards for Athletic Equipment (NOCSAE) standard for lacrosse at the time of manufacturing. All Cascade helmets are made in the USA, meet or exceed the NOCSAE standard for lacrosse and carry the NOCSAE logo. The NOCSAE logo and/or the words "meets NOCSAE standard" on the product are your only indication the product meets the rigorous requirements of NOCSAE."
Ask a lacrosse player about blunt force trauma to the head....
WaveDemon
Not Dead - Notable Member
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- Hell, Florida
get a clue, I want protection for my entire head.
Dustin Mustangs
uʍop ǝpıs dn
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- Holland, MI
Ok, I went and got one. My clue says you can no doubt get into a 'traffic style' (nice terminology btw) accident on a jetski. In fact, I would be willing to bet that this type of trauma is the most likely type your helmet will protect you from on a ski. We don't have to agree on this but it sure would be nice for myself and the other kids in the sandbox if you lighten up a bit about it there boss.
SJBrit
Extraordinary Alien
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- Bradenton, FL
Calm down all. The discussion about face protection is secondary to head protection - it's unsaid because it's a given. Many helmets give good impact protection, and on some cases the only thing that differentiates one from another is the level of face protection. Take this away from the discussion:
You need good impact protection beyond everything.
You don't want a helmet to be heavy or get heavy when wet - you run the risk of a serious neck injury, especially if you are learning to barrel roll.
You really ought to think about face protection too - Tim's photo shows what it's like to eat a pole, and that's not uncommon.
If you are going to get some face protection then you need to think about what will stop the bars from coming through.
For my money the Cascade CPX is the best all round protection. The down side is that you have bars across your field of vision, although I haven't found this to be a problem. Also, the Cascade has ear-openings which need to be closed off to protect those ear drums (again, that's for barrel rollers).
Each to their own, but don't save money, and do listen to advice: just because it hasn't happened to you yet, doesn't mean it won't.
You need good impact protection beyond everything.
You don't want a helmet to be heavy or get heavy when wet - you run the risk of a serious neck injury, especially if you are learning to barrel roll.
You really ought to think about face protection too - Tim's photo shows what it's like to eat a pole, and that's not uncommon.
If you are going to get some face protection then you need to think about what will stop the bars from coming through.
For my money the Cascade CPX is the best all round protection. The down side is that you have bars across your field of vision, although I haven't found this to be a problem. Also, the Cascade has ear-openings which need to be closed off to protect those ear drums (again, that's for barrel rollers).
Each to their own, but don't save money, and do listen to advice: just because it hasn't happened to you yet, doesn't mean it won't.
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My desire in posting what I have learned about helmets and head injuries during my career handling helmet cases is in part driven by what I have seen happen to people and their families when someone suffers a catastrophic head or neck injury. I have seen hundreds of films of incidents where people suffered such injuries and I have had the unfortunate task of deposing injured players and racers along with their families and doctors. In many cases people get involved in a motorsport and fail to consider the helmet as an important aspect of participation. Somebody spends $10,000 on a crotch rocket but demands a free helmet or buys the cheapest helmet they can that still looks cool. Often those helmets are made in China with substandard or slave labor on an assembly line with little or no quality control. They end up in an accident and suffer major injuries
Hopefully, the person starting this thread and anyone else reading this thread comes away convinced that a good quality helmet is a critical component of any extreme sport. While no helmet can stop head or neck injuries, certain types and designs are much better at reducing the risk of suffering from catastrophic head or neck injury.
I have worked with motorsport and football helmet manufacturers extensively, I have a BS in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Texas, and I have a reasonable understanding of what goes into the design and manufacture of a helmet. What I learned during my career was that helmets designed for sports such as football and lacrosse do not provide the level of protection of a well designed and properly manufactured motorsports helmet. One of the primary reasons is that helmets for contact sports need to be able to provide a level of protection during events that result in multiple impacts over a period of time. As a result, they do not rely upon deformation and/or destruction of the shell and liner to the degree a motorsport helmet does as a means of dissipating the energy of a blow. It is much like an open wheel race car like F1 or Indy, the cars are designed to dissipate energy from a crash by coming apart at various points or they crumple in certain areas.
I do not practice law now and I have never had an interest in Arai, I just have a strong belief that Arai as a company is making the best designed helmets for motorsports and motorsports helmets are the type of helmets most suited for jet ski racing or freestyle.
Hopefully, the person starting this thread and anyone else reading this thread comes away convinced that a good quality helmet is a critical component of any extreme sport. While no helmet can stop head or neck injuries, certain types and designs are much better at reducing the risk of suffering from catastrophic head or neck injury.
I have worked with motorsport and football helmet manufacturers extensively, I have a BS in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Texas, and I have a reasonable understanding of what goes into the design and manufacture of a helmet. What I learned during my career was that helmets designed for sports such as football and lacrosse do not provide the level of protection of a well designed and properly manufactured motorsports helmet. One of the primary reasons is that helmets for contact sports need to be able to provide a level of protection during events that result in multiple impacts over a period of time. As a result, they do not rely upon deformation and/or destruction of the shell and liner to the degree a motorsport helmet does as a means of dissipating the energy of a blow. It is much like an open wheel race car like F1 or Indy, the cars are designed to dissipate energy from a crash by coming apart at various points or they crumple in certain areas.
I do not practice law now and I have never had an interest in Arai, I just have a strong belief that Arai as a company is making the best designed helmets for motorsports and motorsports helmets are the type of helmets most suited for jet ski racing or freestyle.
SJBrit
Extraordinary Alien
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- Bradenton, FL
Gdavie - your input is great and much appreciated. I would add one thing though - with jet skis you do have to consider injuries caused BY the helmet too and strike a balance. An inverted entry into the water of the kind that happens regularly when learning to barrel roll can cause a serious neck injury if the helmet acts like a sea anchor and drags your head backwards. I just want to caution people about very heavy helmets, or bulky helmets either of which can seriously exacerbate neck injuries on a jet ski.
SJBRit, take a look at the Leatt neck brace at http://www.leatt-brace.com/. These are first rate neck braces and they have models for motocross, jet ski, karting etc. My sons started using them when they were first released several years ago and this brace with an Arai helmet was required safety equipment for them.
Helmet manufacturers focus on head protection and actually will tell you there product is not intended to protect the neck. At least Aria makes an effort to reduce hyperextension neck injuries in the design of its chin/nose section.
The Leatt is adjustable for long to short necks and comes in several sizes. If you combine this with a good helmet there is not much else you can do for head and neck protection in a sport like motocross or jet ski racing. It will provide a lot of protection for what you described happening in a barrell roll.
Helmet manufacturers focus on head protection and actually will tell you there product is not intended to protect the neck. At least Aria makes an effort to reduce hyperextension neck injuries in the design of its chin/nose section.
The Leatt is adjustable for long to short necks and comes in several sizes. If you combine this with a good helmet there is not much else you can do for head and neck protection in a sport like motocross or jet ski racing. It will provide a lot of protection for what you described happening in a barrell roll.
WaveDemon
Not Dead - Notable Member
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- Hell, Florida
lol, have you ever ridden a jetski? that thing is ridiculous.
why don't we all wear some of these:
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Wavedemon, that clip was hilarious I laughed out loud watching it. As for your question about me ever riding a jet ski, I raced stand up jet skis from about 1989 through 1996. I first raced a 650 Kawasaki followed by x2’s, 750sx’s and finally super jets when the 701 came out. I currently have a 2010 SJ with Dasa 865ss and a 2009 sxr 800 limited ski.
I don’t race anymore and have never used the Leatt brace, it was not available when I raced jet skis and/or motocross but, my sons have used it in motocross since they came out. In fact the Leatt brace is used by almost all the top pros in motocross. The brace takes very little time to get comfortable with and once you use it for a while, most people feel odd not using it. My sons tell me it was easier to get used to than knee braces when they became available for motocross.
I hate to see someone mock an innovative product that has reduced and continues to reduce the number of catastrophic neck injuries of kids around the world without trying it. But, what should people expect from a guy named Wavedemon, who lives in hell and displays the number 666.
I don’t race anymore and have never used the Leatt brace, it was not available when I raced jet skis and/or motocross but, my sons have used it in motocross since they came out. In fact the Leatt brace is used by almost all the top pros in motocross. The brace takes very little time to get comfortable with and once you use it for a while, most people feel odd not using it. My sons tell me it was easier to get used to than knee braces when they became available for motocross.
I hate to see someone mock an innovative product that has reduced and continues to reduce the number of catastrophic neck injuries of kids around the world without trying it. But, what should people expect from a guy named Wavedemon, who lives in hell and displays the number 666.
WaveDemon
Not Dead - Notable Member
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- Hell, Florida
I can't see using a brace like that, it seems like it would get in the way. There needs to be a balance somewhere. I'm sure each person will eventually find their own.
- Location
- Oceanside, CA
ive seen pierre use a leatt brace. ive thought about one.... currently im using a 661 carbon/kevlar helmet and it nice, ill be ok if the ski falls on me, but face protection is in the back of my mind too. i honestly would be down to rock a helmet like Marc Sickerling......he just looks like one bad mofo with that thing on and imo it seems best for protection
Cannibal
Tasty Human
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- Summit Lake, WA
That's pretty sweet, who makes it?
WILKEY
SO FAR CHANGE SUCKS!!!!!!
i kno when doing HUGE backies sometimes i wish i had a freakin neck brace............. dead serious
Cannibal
Tasty Human
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- Summit Lake, WA
That's crossed my mind as well, and I don't even come close to going HUGE or doing backies. I thought a neck collar would be a nice safety addition, but the problem with those are that they're foam, I don't really want to wear a big sponge around my neck. That Leatt neck brace actually looks like it would work pretty good. It doesn't really restrict movement accept for the very end where hyperextention/hyperflextion occurs.
Sorry to take over your helmet thread with neck safety. It might be deserving of it's own thread.
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- Oceanside, CA
from what i understand its custom... maybe norbert made it? i dunno but i saw some one else from germany wearing one too..... ill try and figure it out.
exactly..... it sucks coming in really nose in and having your helmet grab the water and snap your head back....
agua
FIshing for Stand ups
- Location
- Seminole, Fl
check out his brace on here
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- Location
- Oceanside, CA
thats the 661 neckbrace....... i'd want something different.
After watching that video, I would never attempt that type of stunt without a neck brace and the best helmet I could afford. The neck roll he is wearing would not give me much confidence, 661 makes good products but a neck roll is no substitute for a real neck brace like the Leatt.
I believe there are other companies offering neck braces like alpinestar , EVS and maybe innovation sports but my sons are in college and not racing so I am out of touch with motocross. Leatt was first to market and designed by Dr. Leatt with help obviously.
I believe there are other companies offering neck braces like alpinestar , EVS and maybe innovation sports but my sons are in college and not racing so I am out of touch with motocross. Leatt was first to market and designed by Dr. Leatt with help obviously.