How many standup riders are in the US?

[sflsurfrider]

Jeff is selling a lower line of hood w/ the 399$ hood
He sells much higher quality process hoods for much more if you like.

The fact that you can compare a WF ($895) hood and WD ($399) hood say a lot about Jeff's quality...

Jeff will make a $1000 if you want it pre-preg carbon.

How much is the WF pre-preg??? :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

awesome thing... I can go buy 2 WD hood for the price of 1 WF and still have some money for billet latches and everything... that's real bad for the sport???? I have looked over both hoods very well and can say... WD has got it beat in just straight up fit finish and strength. and that's the 399$ hood (time will tell though). I can't imagine what the WD pre-preg carbon looks like????

what exactly are you comparing? your 2 yr old, beat-up-in-the-ocean hood against a brand new WD hood?

 

[thrllskr]

I'm confused - are people complaining because a supplier offered a great price on a hood? :hmmm:

I assume the logic here is that WDK offers a great price on the X, all the X members buy and then he has no customer base anymore because all his potential customers have his products already. What is being forgotten is:

1. As already stated, the X makes up a small portion of riders.
2. Look at this site and how many riders buy new skis, used skis, project skis all the time. I just bought my 4th in as many years.
3. If it did actually happen that WDK had no NEW customer base, than he needs to find a way to sell to his existing customers, which tend to be almost 10x more profitable than a new customer anyway. Maybe its new products, parts & accessories for existing products, service, etc. If only every business owner could have such a "problem." Lol.

 

[yamaslut]

I'm confused - are people complaining because a supplier offered a great price on a hood? :hmmm:

I assume the logic here is that WDK offers a great price on the X, all the X members buy and then he has no customer base anymore because all his potential customers have his products already. What is being forgotten is:

1. As already stated, the X makes up a small portion of riders.
2. Look at this site and how many riders buy new skis, used skis, project skis all the time. I just bought my 4th in as many years.
3. If it did actually happen that WDK had no NEW customer base, than he needs to find a way to sell to his existing customers, which tend to be almost 10x more profitable than a new customer anyway. Maybe its new products, parts & accessories for existing products, service, etc. If only every business owner could have such a "problem." Lol.

No kidding....
selling over 40 sets of footholds in a couple weeks must be killing Jeff....
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

 

[Idok]

Yeah, but only optometrists and plumbers can afford them. :biggrin:

not for long :bigeyes:





just wait until he drops the COMPLETE R.E.V 12 package on the market

 

[Idok]

No kidding....
selling over 40 sets of footholds in a couple weeks must be killing Jeff....
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

not to mention its going to get a set of footholds in the 12 year old kids 550 that couldnt otherwise afford them

 

[Big Kahuna]

actually, youre the one bringing that up. i was just commenting on things that were said in the $200 tubbies thread. when you come down of your high horse, take a minute to go back and read through it. you might realize how stupid youre sounding.

edwin, you are being the guinee (sp!) pig here......... (This post is not directed at one person in general - and please, don't try to read between the lines and assume I am talking about any one individual )

Guys, with comments like this going on, this is what is causing this site problems, new members will not come here, old members are not posting anymore because of all the Drama........... This mess has to stop. and stop now. Why? Because we are tired of it.......... plain and simple....... You all know what Chick's business deals with? that is where this site is going at the rate we are moving.

about 2 months ago there was an event that took place in florida, I was unable to make it, but I got a package in the mail on Friday that said "Do Not Open Until Sat. Night"... I waited, then Paul called and told me to open it. Guess, that plaque you sent me made me feel really good........... I was proud of this site and all the members, yeah, we have our moments...... But guess what, I am almost ashamed of this site now, the people, the whole aura of it.... everybody's attitudes have gone to ********.......... You have members bashing each other because of their opinions, you have members getting into fights over the color of a Superjet, You have Aftermarket Mfg's voicing negitive comments toward other competitors, ( I was taught that when it comes to the competition to just be polite, keep your opinions to your self, just say "Yeah, he has some nice stuff" and leave it at that - You only make yourself look cocky, arrogant, stupid by commenting ), to members turning a thread about another freeride location into total crap because they feel that the organizers job is for-most to find a location where they could drink...... Guys, this crap has to stop............... This site was started to try and bring a "POSSITIVE OUTLOOK INTO THE FREESTYLE / FREERIDE COMMUNITY" So far it looks like we started out really good, but have since decided to kick back and just let nothing but negitive attiudes direct which way to go.... Who's fault is it??? ...... remember Pauls Motto when this site started??? say it to yourself and think about it.............

Some changes are most likely going to happen around here so, you might want to do some reflection on how you view yourselves as part of this community............. because some of you may end up being outside........

 

[yamaslut]

not for long :bigeyes:





just wait until he drops the COMPLETE R.E.V 12 package on the market

that will be a smokin deal

 

[thrllskr]

not to mention its going to get a set of footholds in the 12 year old kids 550 that couldnt otherwise afford them

Or me. Lol.

I had been thinking about footholds for a few months but was reluctant. When I saw the thread with that price last week, I couldn't resist. I went ahead and bought them.

Now he has another new customer...

Like that 15 year old kid, who will go on to spend thousands over the next 10-20+ years of his life.

That's just smart business.

 

[yamaslut]

edwin, you are being the guinee (sp!) pig here......... (This post is not directed at one person in general - and please, don't try to read between the lines and assume I am talking about any one individual )

Guys, with comments like this going on, this is what is causing this site problems, new members will not come here, old members are not posting anymore because of all the Drama........... This mess has to stop. and stop now. Why? Because we are tired of it.......... plain and simple....... You all know what Chick's business deals with? that is where this site is going at the rate we are moving.

about 2 months ago there was an event that took place in florida, I was unable to make it, but I got a package in the mail on Friday that said "Do Not Open Until Sat. Night"... I waited, then Paul called and told me to open it. Guess, that plaque you sent me made me feel really good........... I was proud of this site and all the members, yeah, we have our moments...... But guess what, I am almost ashamed of this site now, the people, the whole aura of it.... everybody's attitudes have gone to ********.......... You have members bashing each other because of their opinions, you have members getting into fights over the color of a Superjet, You have Aftermarket Mfg's voicing negitive comments toward other competitors, ( I was taught that when it comes to the competition to just be polite, keep your opinions to your self, just say "Yeah, he has some nice stuff" and leave it at that - You only make yourself look cocky, arrogant, stupid by commenting ), to members turning a thread about another freeride location into total crap because they feel that the organizers job is for-most to find a location where they could drink...... Guys, this crap has to stop............... This site was started to try and bring a "POSSITIVE OUTLOOK INTO THE FREESTYLE / FREERIDE COMMUNITY" So far it looks like we started out really good, but have since decided to kick back and just let nothing but negitive attiudes direct which way to go.... Who's fault is it??? ...... remember Pauls Motto when this site started??? say it to yourself and think about it.............

Some changes are most likely going to happen around here so, you might want to do some reflection on how you view yourselves as part of this community............. because some of you may end up being outside........

werd up...

 

[Big Kahuna]

as far as WDK hoods, looks like he used a business practice that has been used for 100 years................. INTRODUCTORY PRICING FOR A LIMITED TIME.........

Nick made a good point, he can build you a hood out of any kind of material, but it will cost you.....

I can remember back over the past few years when people were saying, Why cant ___________ (insert Wamilton, Blowsion, 24/7 etc etc) sell a hood for $400-500.00 Oh yes, it was said over and over.......... guess what guys, somebody is doing it and many of you are bitching about it.........

 

[Idok]

as far as WDK hoods, looks like he used a business practice that has been used for 100 years................. INTRODUCTORY PRICING FOR A LIMITED TIME.........

Nick made a good point, he can build you a hood out of any kind of material, but it will cost you.....

I can remember back over the past few years when people were saying, Why cant ___________ (insert Wamilton, Blowsion, 24/7 etc etc) sell a hood for $400-500.00 Oh yes, it was said over and over.......... guess what guys, somebody is doing it and many of you are bitching about it.........

there's only A COUPLE of people bitching about it.....


and whoa..big surprise, one of them is a competitor :bs2:





I belong to a few forums (from jetski's to cars to RC cars) and this is the ONLY one where site sponsors are "allowed" to bash other sponsors/competitors


any other forum would result in a ban for life and they wouldnt even take a second look at it

 

[yamaslut]

as far as WDK hoods, looks like he used a business practice that has been used for 100 years................. INTRODUCTORY PRICING FOR A LIMITED TIME.........

Nick made a good point, he can build you a hood out of any kind of material, but it will cost you.....

I can remember back over the past few years when people were saying, Why cant ___________ (insert Wamilton, Blowsion, 24/7 etc etc) sell a hood for $400-500.00 Oh yes, it was said over and over.......... guess what guys, somebody is doing it and many of you are bitching about it.........

I'm sad to say that brand loyalty has blocked some peoples ability to make logical descisions.


I am the first to say... you offer me a quality product at a fair price, you will get my buisness. WD is on a mission. If these others want to keep up, they will find better, less expensive methods of manufacuring . It's just that simple...

 

[yamaslut]

as far as WDK hoods, looks like he used a business practice that has been used for 100 years................. INTRODUCTORY PRICING FOR A LIMITED TIME.........

Nick made a good point, he can build you a hood out of any kind of material, but it will cost you.....

I can remember back over the past few years when people were saying, Why cant ___________ (insert Wamilton, Blowsion, 24/7 etc etc) sell a hood for $400-500.00 Oh yes, it was said over and over.......... guess what guys, somebody is doing it and many of you are bitching about it.........[/quote]



there's only A COUPLE of people bitching about it.....


and whoa..big surprise, one of them is a competitor :bs2:





I belong to a few forums (from jetski's to cars to RC cars) and this is the ONLY one where site sponsors are "allowed" to bash other sponsors/competitors


any other forum would result in a ban for life and they wouldnt even take a second look at it

amen, praise the lord, halleluia... whatever.... the man speaketh the word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Idok]

I wonder if this is what happend when XFT took over brazil?

 

[SuperJETT]

the problem is, this thread is not objective, it's people bashing/defending their interests. sometimes it just seems like you can't just have a conversation around here anymore.

i also agree with 'time will tell'

seriously.. either he builds a loyal customer base.. or people fall out of love with him for x,y,or z reason(s).

I'm with you too.

I'm not sold on Jeff's ability to deliver products in a timely fashion, otherwise it does seem he's turned the corner to me and it was good to see him at Daytona making his face known.

I also worry he's spreading himself kind of thin since he is a one-man show essentially. Maros had that problem, he always had problems finding people to lay up footholds/smaller stuff that were consistent and paid attention to details like he did.

And really, think about this, both Kevin Collins and Chris Maros used to work for Wammer. The good ones learn, then if they have an entrepreneurial side to them, they move on and become competitors. So, if Jeff finds someone he has to always wonder where he'll be in 3 years.

 

[tor*p*do]

Maybe when he saturates the market with RN hoods, he will make sone SN ones! :woot:
I'll buy!!!! :Banane01: :Banane01: :Banane01: :Banane01:

 

[SuperJETT]

I belong to a few forums (from jetski's to cars to RC cars) and this is the ONLY one where site sponsors are "allowed" to bash other sponsors/competitors

any other forum would result in a ban for life and they wouldnt even take a second look at it

And non-site sponsors (advertisers really) are allowed to bash equally as well, without being banned. Also, non-site sponsors can post and hawk their products/services for free here.

In other words, everyone gets pretty much the same treatment whether you're a sponsor or not.

 

[Big Kahuna]

I'm with you too.

I'm not sold on Jeff's ability to deliver products in a timely fashion, otherwise it does seem he's turned the corner to me and it was good to see him at Daytona making his face known.

I also worry he's spreading himself kind of thin since he is a one-man show essentially. Maros had that problem, he always had problems finding people to lay up footholds/smaller stuff that were consistent and paid attention to details like he did.

And really, think about this, both Kevin Collins and Chris Maros used to work for Wammer. The good ones learn, then if they have an entrepreneurial side to them, they move on and become competitors. So, if Jeff finds someone he has to always wonder where he'll be in 3 years.

I thought he did get someone to help out..............

 

[Idok]

I'm with you too.

I'm not sold on Jeff's ability to deliver products in a timely fashion, otherwise it does seem he's turned the corner to me and it was good to see him at Daytona making his face known.

I also worry he's spreading himself kind of thin since he is a one-man show essentially. Maros had that problem, he always had problems finding people to lay up footholds/smaller stuff that were consistent and paid attention to details like he did.

And really, think about this, both Kevin Collins and Chris Maros used to work for Wammer. The good ones learn, then if they have an entrepreneurial side to them, they move on and become competitors. So, if Jeff finds someone he has to always wonder where he'll be in 3 years.

8 man show last I heard

 

[yamaslut]

I'm with you too.

I'm not sold on Jeff's ability to deliver products in a timely fashion, otherwise it does seem he's turned the corner to me and it was good to see him at Daytona making his face known.

I also worry he's spreading himself kind of thin since he is a one-man show essentially. Maros had that problem, he always had problems finding people to lay up footholds/smaller stuff that were consistent and paid attention to details like he did.

And really, think about this, both Kevin Collins and Chris Maros used to work for Wammer. The good ones learn, then if they have an entrepreneurial side to them, they move on and become competitors. So, if Jeff finds someone he has to always wonder where he'll be in 3 years.

Darin,
Jeff has a crew working... he is far from a one man show these days... far, far from that.

do you think he could have made over 30 hoods in the last month or so????
:sneaky: :sneaky: :sneaky: :smile: The guy is blowing up so hard it's ridiculous!!!!!!