Super Jet How wide is too wide for sponsons? And My RN SJ build.

[Matt_E]

your gonna be bummed you cut the rail off around the nose..

Exactly

 

[btmboards]

Why will I be bummer about the nose rail. All I know about what does what is either what I can find on here or what I can make sence of myself. The only thing I have felt it do so far is pull me wired while under during a sub.

Zack, when it is running I ride every Sunday and ill be at the jk freeride. "I can't afford the drive to havasu" your welcome to try it anytime.

 

[Crab]

Might get more spray in your face.

 

[icecoled007]

Might get more spray in your face.

Thats what she said

 

[wydopen]

aside from more spray in your face that lip provides some lift to help with pearling...when the nose broke on my old square we reglassed it w/o the lip and the thing cut through the water like a torpedo...didnt make it any easier to keep the nose up when the wave is steep...

stock sj hull with stock tubbie 1s a lowered pole bracket and a -2 handlepole is where you should start..once you get that figured out mod it from there...thats been pretty much the standard for the last decade until people found the need to ride these circus clown boats the last few years..

Why will I be bummer about the nose rail. All I know about what does what is either what I can find on here or what I can make sence of myself. The only thing I have felt it do so far is pull me wired while under during a sub.

Zack, when it is running I ride every Sunday and ill be at the jk freeride. "I can't afford the drive to havasu" your welcome to try it anytime.

 

[btmboards]

Could someone explain perrling a bit better to meet I though I knew what it was but the more it gets used the more I think I don't know.

Jetskis are just like anything, people are going to customize them the way they want. Every thing I have owned from my cars, trucks, dirtbikes, streetbikes, boats, everything I have completly customized. I like to have my stuff be very unique and not have the same thing as anyone else. That's about imposable in this sport but I will get as close as I can. It is like going down the road and seeing a guy driving a riced out civic. It's not my taste but they love their car. So the circus clown boats I personaly think they are great "I really like Zacks boat" but others "you and I know even m. gomez rides a fairly stock looking sj" nothing wrong with it just a difference in taste.

Back to the point at hand though, if I were to create a new rail up front. With how much higher my front is going to ride now would you guys suggest bringing the rail up higher or lower on the nose?

 

[yamanube]

I don't feel like my ski pearls any easier or any harder without the front lip, I also don't feel much difference in bow spray but that never really bothered me (maybe if you wore contacts it would be worse?). If I had to start over I probably wouldn't cut it off just because I don't notice any benefit but now that it is gone it is definitely not worth doing the work to glass it back on. It's a wash IMO, I think it looks a little better without it.

It's a fad, like lowereing your tray or riser bars.

 

[kcmasterpiece]

I don't feel like my ski pearls any easier or any harder without the front lip, I also don't feel much difference in bow spray but that never really bothered me (maybe if you wore contacts it would be worse?). If I had to start over I probably wouldn't cut it off just because I don't notice any benefit but now that it is gone it is definitely not worth doing the work to glass it back on. It's a wash IMO, I think it looks a little better without it.

It's a fad, like lowereing your tray or riser bars.

Damn, i just chopped and raised my fx nose... oh well, it was a fun little project. i am making tubbies though, so i guess its not all for nothing.

 

[Marker Motorsports]

looking good brett. Just remember to glass in a bow eye or a couch eye under the nose like mine is.

 

[227]

Brett pearling is the term for crashing due to digging the nose while coming off a steep section of a wave. With this in mind, consider this; the first time the majority of us saw the front bond line removed was when the Rickters were introduced. The fad was born and everybody jumped on it like it was some magical new thing that was going to solve world hunger. When I first saw a Rickter at the World Finals in Havasu, I spoke to the guys at the Rickter camp about the absence of a front bond line because, being a surf rider, my own common sense was telling me that's a bad idea. The guys at Rickter said the reason the front bond line was removed was because when performing a FLATWATER back flip, the front bond line acted like a brake on their rotation. This made sense for FLATWATER back flips as a rider is mainly relying on HP to get the height needed to do the maneuver. However for a surf ski, losing the bond rail really has no advantage at all, and IMO is a disadvantage, as the bond line keeps the nose up, especially in steep sections of the wave. Yet the fad continues and tons of guys spend time, money and effort hacking off the very thing that helps a surf ski. For a surf ski, if you want to alter the front bond line, the other real mod that makes sense would be to add a flipped up nose with a raised bond line like a Superfreak. I have yet to see any kind of commonsense argument for any other type of nose configuration for a surf ski.

 

[btmboards]

looking good brett. Just remember to glass in a bow eye or a couch eye under the nose like mine is.

Yep, I haven't,been putting a decent amount of thought into that but it is gonna come down to how i decide to build the nose up.
I've got a new idea to help with pearling that I've seen once on a custom hull. We'll see ill be back at it tonight.

 

[btmboards]

Hey john, thanks for the info. When I just replied to Curtis about doing somthing different. The flipped up nose with raised bond line is exactly what I was thinking. Just couldn't remember what kind of ski I saw it on.
I plan to start shaping the nose tonight.

 

[wydopen]

a jetski is not like a car where 90% of the things you see when its driving by are cosmetic...sure its great to have a unique ski that looks cool but i would imagine you would be more concerned with performance, if not you should be...the reason allot of people run the same setups for waveriding (especially in the past) is for the simple fact that it WORKS...ive ridden allot of setups and i would say i probably have a better understanding of the dynamics of how a ski handles than most people and the reason that i recommend that setup is because for 99% of people thats what is going to work best...the best waveriding ever done was on that exact setup i described...i dont know if you have any interest in actual surfriding or if you are only concerned with backflips but if u want your ski to waveride your setup is very important...kinda like the circus boats..sure they backflip easy and they look cool but they dont handle good...watch the vids from surfslam...a rider i wont name could literally barley ride in a strait line let alone do a proper turn..but he did some cool backflips haha

trust me the more time u spend on the water getting used to your ski and the less time you spend working on it makes a big difference in the fun factor...

aside from the spray and pearling issue the rail also provides strength so make sure u glass that area heavy on the inside..

Could someone explain perrling a bit better to meet I though I knew what it was but the more it gets used the more I think I don't know.

Jetskis are just like anything, people are going to customize them the way they want. Every thing I have owned from my cars, trucks, dirtbikes, streetbikes, boats, everything I have completly customized. I like to have my stuff be very unique and not have the same thing as anyone else. That's about imposable in this sport but I will get as close as I can. It is like going down the road and seeing a guy driving a riced out civic. It's not my taste but they love their car. So the circus clown boats I personaly think they are great "I really like Zacks boat" but others "you and I know even m. gomez rides a fairly stock looking sj" nothing wrong with it just a difference in taste.

Back to the point at hand though, if I were to create a new rail up front. With how much higher my front is going to ride now would you guys suggest bringing the rail up higher or lower on the nose?

 

[btmboards]

Wydopen, everything on my vehicals is performance related, not cosmetic. And i do plan to do all around riding, not just jumps, I havent actually even jumped off a wave in a few weeks. Who knows I could get this done and not like it but the only way I will know is by trying. You are right the most fun you can have is out on the water riding but with my work schedual I only get to ride once a week anyways and this isn't a week long project. Other than dry time this is about 4days at just a couple hours a night. If I don't like it ill tear it apart and try again and still be who'd to ride the next week. I just get tired of everyone saying leave stuff stock, that's just not how I like to do things. If I decide stock is better ill buy another one. I do very much appretiate your input and recamendations and I do take them into account when deciding what to do. You are a great rider and I know you know your stuff. I just want to try it this way. You may get a pm from me in a month or two saying how right you were and I'm going back but we'll see.
Thanks for all the help and ill make sure to reinforce the crap out of it.

 

[yamanube]

Damn, i just chopped and raised my fx nose... oh well, it was a fun little project. i am making tubbies though, so i guess its not all for nothing.

Adding rocker to the nose is a functional mod, I was referring to just removing the bondline in the front.

 

[btmboards]

Well I still have some final shaping to do and while the foam was drying I was able to get started on the first phase of shaping the rails. With the direction the nose is going I am thinking that I am going to extend my rail up the sides of the nose but taper off as it goes over the top. doesnt seem like I should need it too much with how far up it will be. I am also making it so that the nose under the rail transitions down seemlesly into the width of the front off my tubbies. Here are a few pics of from tonight.
Kinda starting to look like it needs a couple of nostrals and a mouth on it.

 

[btmboards]

Well the way work and wether has been going I really havent had a chance to touch my ski finally getting back to it. Here is the new shape of my tubbies and hull. Obviously havent done the bond rails yet but this is for the most part the final shape of the what is is going to be, there will be a little more bleanding, smoothing and couple more layers of reinforcment to go. Going to try and finish it to test ride this sunday as long as everything cures in time. See how it rides then maybe finish the rail, shape some more and and finalize everything.

 

[Crab]

Here is a better shot from the bottom, I love the way this hull handled, but moving aside now for an upgrade to a rocker hull.

 

[Tyler Zane]

i would miss is having something to grab when loading, or dragging my ski. thats reason enough to keep my entire bond rail.

 

[Crab]

the most obvious thing i would miss is having something to grab when loading, or dragging my ski.

Its still all there.