If there was a oem hull 800 freestyle class who would compete
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sounds like you cant modify the top deck and it shall remain OEM dimensions....seems pretty simple to understand..
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- seattle area, Wa
the hull is the bottom deck. the top deck is, well, the top deck.
sounds like you can modify the bottom deck but not the top deck.
sounds like you can modify the bottom deck but not the top deck.
ph1lthy11y
Cummins hauls my ski to the water
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- california
So would a rocker kit wide tray with say Bob holds and 4 inches off the back be legal ?
Vumad
Super Hero, with a cape!
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- St. Pete, FL
You can't modify the bond rail
Although clarification would be needed if you can cut off the front bond rail, or bend the front into a rocker (without cutting).
They want to maintain the image of current standups. I drew some plans for a 60" hull but couldnt keep the look after I made room for everything. In fact it looked really weird but would be easier to flip.
Vumad
Super Hero, with a cape!
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- St. Pete, FL
I don't think anyone cares about an OEM look. OEM doesn't support the sport so F* them.
You could take a stock superjet, cut 6 off the front, 12 off the back, move the pump and throw down plenty of backflips. That would defeat the intended purpose.
It seemed to me the goal was to make it so anyone can drop $2k on a used square and compete. To make entry into the sport more friendly. Kind of like racing has stock, limited and open. It's progression. Freestyle has no current progression, just huge costs. It causes the sport to slowly die off.
It's a young person sport that takes a middle aged budget. Take a lesson from big tobacco. Hook them while they are young.
Joker
...chaos? Its Fair!
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- La Porte, Indiana
+2 a kid in our ride group flat water rolled a js550 and a 650sx.
And the winner is whomever can do the most rolls in 2 min.
SkiPro
Trim down for what!?!?!?
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- E-Town, Ok
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- Saskatoon,SK
Can't do that on an aftermarket hull, "Rick Roy killed the sub dammit!" lol
RiverRat
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- Louisville, Ky
I would compete in this class. i think it would help the sport. Plus flips can get boring from a spectator stand point.
I still think Parr should have taken Nationals over Malone years ago. He had a 701 and threw down a hell of a run vs Malones 1100cc flips and variations.
I still think Parr should have taken Nationals over Malone years ago. He had a 701 and threw down a hell of a run vs Malones 1100cc flips and variations.
SkiPro
Trim down for what!?!?!?
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- E-Town, Ok
I wana see some Wango Tango's!!!!
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- detroit MI
Okay so i will throw in and play. i read through page 3 then skipped to here. rules for 800 in my opinion.
Stock hull oem specs of any year production as a complete ski.
Pole mounting location may be moved as desired.
Oem cast cyl and case must be used in no displacement greater than 800cc's
Tray mods such as but not limited to flat deck, foot holds, gunwhales are allowed.
Engine swaps allowed as long as stock engine mounting points in hull are maintained IE: conversion bedplates
any pump size allowed as long as oem bottom deck is maintaned in the conversion.
This i feel like could get really interesting. as much as i would rather have the same engine specs (oem cyl, 800cc max) in an AM hull, considering that there are multiple 4000$ brand new hulls on the market and it is all around better in my opinion to get on an AM asap. I feel like the the above rules provide a new comer with the opportunity to run oem, piece together oem parts, and maybe pay for high end engine porting but that the gap in ski setup woud be much smaller. and it would be about developing the riders. Idk could be fun. wont draw much of a crowd and i feel like very few would show up to like a world finals event. Need to fin a way to get people to throw small events for this class locally. but thats just how i feel.
Stock hull oem specs of any year production as a complete ski.
Pole mounting location may be moved as desired.
Oem cast cyl and case must be used in no displacement greater than 800cc's
Tray mods such as but not limited to flat deck, foot holds, gunwhales are allowed.
Engine swaps allowed as long as stock engine mounting points in hull are maintained IE: conversion bedplates
any pump size allowed as long as oem bottom deck is maintaned in the conversion.
This i feel like could get really interesting. as much as i would rather have the same engine specs (oem cyl, 800cc max) in an AM hull, considering that there are multiple 4000$ brand new hulls on the market and it is all around better in my opinion to get on an AM asap. I feel like the the above rules provide a new comer with the opportunity to run oem, piece together oem parts, and maybe pay for high end engine porting but that the gap in ski setup woud be much smaller. and it would be about developing the riders. Idk could be fun. wont draw much of a crowd and i feel like very few would show up to like a world finals event. Need to fin a way to get people to throw small events for this class locally. but thats just how i feel.
Vumad
Super Hero, with a cape!
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- St. Pete, FL
The problem with a stock only hull and bond rail is that it would kill the idea of progression. Some guy puts a carter b rocker on his superjet or buys a rickter surf ski and they get kicked out of the class.
I have spent my fair share working on composites, and its sometimes cheaper to buy an am hull than modify a stocker. Time does have value.
It may be best left up to the judges. Weigh and measure the skis, deduct points for flip and spin tricks on shorter skis and add them back on nose tricks. Lihtweight hulls get deductions for aerials while waterlogged stockers with a bunch of glass work get a bonus. Jve never been a judge, so i dont know if that is feasable.
Goal should make barrier to entry absolutely minimal, while figuring out a way to keep people in it as long as possible, while keeping the freedom to modify as they please.
Again, i cant compete anymore, but i was practicing and this was my thoughts. I wanted to race and freestyle the same boat becauxe i didnt have money for 2 and it created this conundrum of not fitting in anywhere.
I have spent my fair share working on composites, and its sometimes cheaper to buy an am hull than modify a stocker. Time does have value.
It may be best left up to the judges. Weigh and measure the skis, deduct points for flip and spin tricks on shorter skis and add them back on nose tricks. Lihtweight hulls get deductions for aerials while waterlogged stockers with a bunch of glass work get a bonus. Jve never been a judge, so i dont know if that is feasable.
Goal should make barrier to entry absolutely minimal, while figuring out a way to keep people in it as long as possible, while keeping the freedom to modify as they please.
Again, i cant compete anymore, but i was practicing and this was my thoughts. I wanted to race and freestyle the same boat becauxe i didnt have money for 2 and it created this conundrum of not fitting in anywhere.
it'd be nice to see a stock class, and limited class, and your unlimited class. Stock requiring OEM cases/cylinders/head to be used (no drop on dasa top ends ;D) and footholds/handle poles and hand holds being add-able and no other hull mods. pump should be limited to only stock size in millimeters. this would keep things pretty fair and make it interesting as ive seen backflips on stock SJ hulls flatwater. 1400cc carbon flips are cool when your 15 feet in the air, but the skill of doing tricks with low power i think shows rider ability better than horsepower ability.
example:
example:
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- detroit MI
My issue with ur statement is that it is too broad and can create some issues. first off a 100% stock ski including head noone wants to watch do freestyle so u loose a lot of ur support for that class right there. also limitting to a stock pump... well then u cant have a 144 equiped fx1. or a bolt in mod to a 440 oor 550 to use a bigger pump. but i do believe a oem pump should be used.
personally for said class i would be running a kawi 300sx with a yamaha 61x/62t motor and a kawi 140mm 750sx pump (they make a bolt in conversion no fiberglassing required) with an x2 trim and a relocated hand pole. i personally think its a very very budget setup oem parts anyone that has been in this sport for a few years can easily replicate under $3000 complete comp ready.
but thats just the build i would do.
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- detroit MI
another thought on this topic..... since we all know stock hulls are rough at best flat water. what about a boat throwing a wake. boat does a big oval or two and u string tricks across its wake. judged on tricks, and how fluid ur run is. since this is how most of us get our start anyways??? what do people think about that?
Milled head, resleeve, even porting all falls under stock equipment. Keeping it to stock SJ parts limits the CC to 790. SXR's could go higher hp but without hull mods they are limited to tricks a stock sj hull can do (not really a freestyle boat). And i never said limit to a stock pump, limit it to stock size. So a solas 144 would be considered stock size. A 155 would not be allowed. the fx1 would be limited to the 132 (or w.e) pump and if they wanted to run a 144 it would be under the limited class (different mods allowed)
the point isnt choking off the mods. its placing them in the appropriate classes. nobody is limiting what can be done, but a stock fx1 wont be going up against a 790cc 144 mil fx1.
what youd be running id say would be in the limited class not stock, based on how id setup things. motor swaps and pump swaps and pole location mods on a stock hull can be under the limited class. AM hull would be unlimited class and would allow for the big motor 5 million mm pumps with 3 lbs handpoles and 10 lbs hulls.
only trouble with boat wake is people will argue consistency.