Freestyle Limited class of Freestyle in competition

[Owen18]

This would be a great idea for WF this year, hope it all works out
Id say just what DK is saying and everyone else, 800cc or below I wouldn't restrict it to an OEM hull though
Being the fact that I am 14, I just bought a BOB hull and should be Flatwater flipping this year, I think get the young ones out there and show them a good time!
I bet Id show up to compete/spectate at WF if there was a class just like what we are saying. I wouldnt say it would be boring at all, put this class first to get people warmed up, then the AM class then PRO to get people ready to see the real show.

 

[SuperJoel]

A very good topic to discuss this is!

 

[SUPERJET-113]

Doesn't anybody remember that the APBA had this rule a few years ago for 2-3 years??? :aargh4:

There were 3 classes:
It was stock hull only, up to 800 CC limit. Then there was A/M hull w/900cc limit, then Pro class. They changed it to IJSBA rules after a few years, dont know why. They made one step forward, then 2 steps back for the neobie amateur freestlyist and amateurs on a budget.

 

[DK-Freestyle]

This would be a great idea for WF this year, hope it all works out
Id say just what DK is saying and everyone else, 800cc or below I wouldn't restrict it to an OEM hull though
Being the fact that I am 14, I just bought a BOB hull and should be Flatwater flipping this year, I think get the young ones out there and show them a good time!
I bet Id show up to compete/spectate at WF if there was a class just like what we are saying. I wouldnt say it would be boring at all, put this class first to get people warmed up, then the AM class then PRO to get people ready to see the real show.

Allowing AM hulls would defeat the purpose of a budget friendly class. You'll just be having 2 amateur classes, one with a CC cap of 100 more than the other. You want to attract people into the sport and competition, and making it affordable is the only real way to do it. No ones going to jump into a sport that costs thousands and thousands of dollars to get started in.

Amateur - OEM Hull, 800cc max
Expert - AM Hull, 900cc max
Pro - AM Hull, 1200cc max

Not sure about you guys, but thats my vote.

 

[Motorheads5]

If the rules were to be changed you should give a 3 to 4 year grace period. Otherwise you could really hurt the rider's that have brand new or 1 year old equipment we all know what this sport cost's at that level and making a change that cost's a rider another $4,000.00 is not gonna be promoting this sport. I think if a rider know's in a few year's advance that he need's to rethink his engine package to stay in that class it would be a great idea to go back to limited cc and make it easier for the upcoming rider's to get into it at an affordable cost.

 

[Hugh.G.Rekshen]

Allowing AM hulls would defeat the purpose of a budget friendly class. You'll just be having 2 amateur classes, one with a CC cap of 100 more than the other. You want to attract people into the sport and competition, and making it affordable is the only real way to do it. No ones going to jump into a sport that costs thousands and thousands of dollars to get started in.

Amateur - OEM Hull, 800cc max
Expert - AM Hull, 900cc max
Pro - AM Hull, 1200cc max

Not sure about you guys, but thats my vote.

This ^^

 

[raytherace]

If the rules were to be changed you should give a 3 to 4 year grace period. Otherwise you could really hurt the rider's that have brand new or 1 year old equipment we all know what this sport cost's at that level and making a change that cost's a rider another $4,000.00 is not gonna be promoting this sport. I think if a rider know's in a few year's advance that he need's to rethink his engine package to stay in that class it would be a great idea to go back to limited cc and make it easier for the upcoming rider's to get into it at an affordable cost.

But do you think that if we add a 3th class more people will be introduce to the sport, that mean more people buying parts and more sponsor promoting the same sport, because its a win win business between sponsor and rider. If companies made more money, normally they invest the same % of sponsorship, that mean more money to the rider to let him compete(I mean in parts, not in salary). This way the rider pay less for their equipment. And in all that maybe we will find other Lee Stone or Eric Roy in that bunch of new rider and the sport will be growing faster, no ?

 

[raytherace]

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[yamaslut]

have a limited 701 compulsory class....

only things you can modify are:
prop
pump
intake grate
port
reinforce
shorten pole or aftermarket

an example:

you have to complete 1 nose stab (or variation of stab) you get x amount of points for the stab and then an additional x amount for taking a hand off, or a foot.

That way you can score things properly and judges will have something to go by.

possible tricks in the compulsory event that you would have to complete in a 2 min run:

1 nose stab
1 type of hood riding
1 monkey jump
1 barrel roll/inverted sub
1 360 power sub

stuff like that...it would give young kids the chance to perform in front of a crowd before going pro and will make them more a seasoned performer. Kids 12-13 could do these trick in a matter of months and the cost to a parent in no mare than a used limited SJ. (2k-5k). This will open up the sport to a ton of families. Think of what a PW80/100 and all the gear costs... that is where we need to be w/ this sport to get kids and parents interested

and before you say... that would be boring to watch... So is watching kids run a track a 15mph on pw50, but they need to be able to start somewhere. I think that's why a lot of pro's choke under pressure in this sport, not enough time in the spotlight. MX kids are doing interviews and at age 12 and are not scared about the crowd cause they are seasoned..

did anyone read my post? why would this not work?

 

[raytherace]

did anyone read my post? why would this not work?

The first parts I agree and its about the thread I start, but the rest its more than we can expect for now, we just want another class limited to let the sport grow. I think we have to go step by step, if we ask everyhting in one shoot never it will happen. To start, IMO, add another class, and maybe next year we can start a Thread name " For judge: what make a rider win a competition " by making score point on tricks that the rider make in their routine. That thing about the judge and the score of a rider routine have been discussed in the past few thread about the last WF. IMO Yvan Potanin was the winnner but its not what happened. Some people thaught the same of DK that he dont deserve his title(thing that im not agree with).

 

[Schmidty721]

There needs to be a speed & style comp.
Make these guys riding 1200cc monsters on an 18" hull run some bouys, jump some log jumps and then perfrom their flatwater tricks. Give them a total allowed time, make them run the course first & the remaining time is theirs to perform whatever tricks they can. Bonus points if the ride the course backwards on their hoods, barrel roll the log jumps, etc.

But ya, OEM hull limited CC class is a good idea IMO

And while I'm at it I want to see stand up supercross! Floating rhythem sections, bermed corners, roller sections. Now that would be baddd a$$.

 

[ChrisFiore15]

Speed and Style would be SICK....


Hey anyone think of XGAMES- Freestyle jet ski????
How sick would that be... .

 

[raytherace]

E-mail SCOTT the almighty jet ski guru who deciedes what when and where in the race world and voice your opinion
I doubt he will listen untill enough people blow up his email
He could easily get that class in during the week
The Freestyle market has blown up in the 5 years Vendor alley this year was all freestyle/freeride
Wake TFU Scott people love to watch free-style

I just receive an e-mail back from Scott about that. He told me that he read all the thread and ask me for more details of what people want. He look like he take care of the industry at the first view, im awaiting answer about many other question I had about the topic !!!

 

[jetpilot36]

Eric Roy?

 

[raytherace]

Eric Roy?

RRP ?? you dont know ??

 

[g-ski]

In reference to requiring certain tricks and banning others let's not forget it's called FREESTYLE. If the point is to stop riders from doing the same tricks over and over (BF, 1 footed BF, Superflip, 2 in a row,3 in a row,etc.) only score 1 of each trick. If you require certain tricks, than you kill innovation. Back in the 90's guys used to have new tricks every stop. Great to see people talking and trying to improve the sport.

 

[baxt3r]

Slut, I like your idea. I would also think that limiting a stock engine to the original bore and 2 more over bores. I think that would help keep the costs down but then you run into the problem people jumping straight to the 2nd bore for the slight increase in power.

Beyond motor and hull limitations, perhaps have a set timeframe you can stay in the limited/beginner class. Maybe two years. Or 20 events. I am sure smarter people than I will come up with a better or more realistic number.

All that said, I would absolutely enter into a limited class event just to try it out. No matter threesome I would probably enter several events if they are reasonably close to home.

The mandatory tricks are good too. Some sports have mandatory tricks and it provides a consistent way to score. How can you judge two riders who have only few tricks in common? It would also force creativity instead oef making the rider focus on height or how many variations of a flip he can do.

I like the idea and with some fine-tuning I think it would work and help grow the sporrans it clearly looks to be shrinking.

 

[baxt3r]

In reference to requiring certain tricks and banning others let's not forget it's called FREESTYLE. If the point is to stop riders from doing the same tricks over and over (BF, 1 footed BF, Superflip, 2 in a row,3 in a row,etc.) only score 1 of each trick. If you require certain tricks, than you kill innovation. Back in the 90's guys used to have new tricks every stop. Great to see people talking and trying to improve the sport.

You don't kill innovation with a set of mandatory tricks. You still have the resort of the routine, but you have to get the base tricks in there. It shouldn't matter when they are put in, just that they are in there. I would look forward to seeing riders adding their personal style to what many look at as plain vanilla tricks.

 

[g-ski]

You don't kill innovation with a set of mandatory tricks. You still have the resort of the routine, but you have to get the base tricks in there. It shouldn't matter when they are put in, just that they are in there. I would look forward to seeing riders adding their personal style to what many look at as plain vanilla tricks.

I see your point. Perhaps riders should get more than 120 seconds. Especially if it is obviously the biggest spectator attraction.

 

[baxt3r]

180 seconds would work for limted/beginner since those riders would not have the setups as dialed as the pros and could spend a lot of time on that.