Lithium batteries unreliable?

[RiverRides]

Went from starting reliably, sat a week and was dead. Tried to charge it but wouldnt hold a charge so pulled it. Top cap was off and full of water.
Anyone else have any issues like this with lithium batteries? This on was a featherweight firepower.

 

[Christian_83]

I had a brand new Anti gravity battery go poo poo, after 3 rides - i sealed the seam and the terminals from brand new.

For the past 4 years ive been using 3 pcs of the danish branded battery similar to yours in pictures. no failure on any of them
With that said i always take my battery out of my ski and encourage people to do the same

 

[Citizen]

Gone through a lot of them, and none of them are cheap. My best success has been with pulling them after each and every ride and topping them off with a good charger. Then I give them a charge right before I go ride. Water, humidity, low voltage is what kills these things. If you have a parasitic draw on one don't expect it to last long.

Seal the seams and terminals
Remove from ski after riding
Charge after riding
Charge before riding
Some people store in freezer which is supposed to prolong life (I have not done this)

At the end of the day, I personally don't feel they are worth using unless you actually need them. And the only skis that "need them" are the high compression setups that need the extra CCA's to turn over. The weight savings over a AGM just dont seem worth the hassle to me.

 

[Quinc]

What has already been said as well as mounting it above the bond line helps. At least for me; Going on season 2 with an antigravity

 

[Sparkplug]

It is most definitely worth going to a lithium battery. Hands down noticeable. 10 pounds is like 10 horsepower seat of the pants.

Wps has a badass warranty. 2 yrs no questions asked. And they ship fast as hell. Not sure what issue anyone could have. 90 bucks for a battery that Cranks Cranks 210 psi 1100 for 2 yrs? What more do you want?

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[kevbo]

We ask a lot from these batteries. Lithium-ion should not be less than 1/2 the weight of lead. They would be a lot more durable if they were 5 or 6 pounds instead of 3. Plus their packaging is not designed for underwater use. LIPO batts can be reliable at 1/4 the weight of lead. Those need to be mounted outside the hull in a waterproof container for safety.

 

[te4250]

My wps lasted a year and change, it got sunk in salt water though etc. I’ve read other places to seal the seam and they last longer like citizen mentioned. I’m trying a shorai now. For me it’s worth the weight savings just so the ski sits level with a bpipe. Also I think it’s one of the cheapest places to drop 10-14lbs off an am ski

 

[bird]

I've ran WPS for over 7 years now. The first battery went more than 5 seasons with Zero issues. That battery saw more use than any of yours I can guarantee it.

You got a dud, warranty it.

We ask a lot from these batteries. Lithium-ion should not be less than 1/2 the weight of lead. They would be a lot more durable if they were 5 or 6 pounds instead of 3. Plus their packaging is not designed for underwater use. LIPO batts can be reliable at 1/4 the weight of lead. Those need to be mounted outside the hull in a waterproof container for safety.

You're Smokey the Bear telling me not to play with fireworks, go home. LIPO batteries are old tech at this point. I've been dealing with them for 20 years in the RC industry.

 

[ngerk]

I like the cranking amps vs size aspect. When your battery mounts in the back corner of the hull, you don’t have many options. I wish advance auto parts still sold their lithium batteries. My last one was $40 and it had a 1 year warranty.

 

[Freakrider]

I like the cranking amps vs size aspect. When your battery mounts in the back corner of the hull, you don’t have many options. I wish advance auto parts still sold their lithium batteries. My last one was $40 and it had a 1 year warranty.

Yeah I used these too at clearance prices for their final year. Still got a LFP -7 with 380 cca's that I use as a charging battery for msd TL running a Deka ETZ14S (11.2 amps/hr) that's in the case size of a Deka 9 but just a tiny bit taller. Lithiums higher voltage seems to energize TL spark a little more by seat of pants feel to me.

 

[SXIPro]

I've ran WPS for over 7 years now. The first battery went more than 5 seasons with Zero issues. That battery saw more use than any of yours I can guarantee it.

You got a dud, warranty it.

You're Smokey the Bear telling me not to play with fireworks, go home. LIPO batteries are old tech at this point. I've been dealing with them for 20 years in the RC industry.

Wouldn't happen to have a link to that battery by chance?

 

[Jobu]

I run a Shorai lithium battery and I'm on year #6 with no issues. I run it in my ski during the summer and then swap it to my snowmobile in the winter. I religiously disconnect it after every use.

 

[johnmarchetta34]

I Think your ignition has a big effect on battery life. If you are running a total loss ignition, your battery isn't going to last as long. These lithium batteries are much harder to bring back to life if drained completely...

 

[Freakrider]

I Think your ignition has a big effect on battery life. If you are running a total loss ignition, your battery isn't going to last as long. These lithium batteries are much harder to bring back to life if drained completely...

I think this is why @Citizen found it is best to recharge them after each ride with TL, they don't have high amps per hr compared to same dimensions agm's. With a ski charging system, it will probably shorten a lithiums life because they require a different algorithm charging method unless it has a built in BMS battery maintenance system to protect it from overcharging.

 

[bird]

I Think your ignition has a big effect on battery life. If you are running a total loss ignition, your battery isn't going to last as long. These lithium batteries are much harder to bring back to life if drained completely...

You can charge them in 7 minutes at 30 amps. No excuse for that.

I think this is why @Citizen found it is best to recharge them after each ride with TL, they don't have high amps per hr compared to same dimensions agm's. With a ski charging system, it will probably shorten a lithiums life because they require a different algorithm charging method unless it has a built in BMS battery maintenance system to protect it from overcharging.

They must have circuitry built in. They're rated for PWCs, Motorcyles, etc.

Wouldn't happen to have a link to that battery by chance?

1st batt: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DX8971E/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

2nd batt: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07281C1HZ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

All the negative reviews are guys using them in SNOW(lithiums don't like cold!) or using them incorrectly....!

 

[kevbo]

I've ran WPS for over 7 years now. The first battery went more than 5 seasons with Zero issues. That battery saw more use than any of yours I can guarantee it.

You got a dud, warranty it.

You're Smokey the Bear telling me not to play with fireworks, go home. LIPO batteries are old tech at this point. I've been dealing with them for 20 years in the RC industry.

Seven years is a long time for any kind of battery. LIPOs have been available for 20 years, does that make them "old" tech? They still have the best power/weight and are now cheap. LIPOs do occasionally burst into flames just like expensive freestyle skis occasionally sink and get lost forever. Depends on your risk appetite.

 

[Jcary85]

I think this is why @Citizen found it is best to recharge them after each ride with TL, they don't have high amps per hr compared to same dimensions agm's. With a ski charging system, it will probably shorten a lithiums life because they require a different algorithm charging method unless it has a built in BMS battery maintenance system to protect it from overcharging.

Pretty sure they all have a built in BMS. Can confirm AGs do (took one apart and balance charged it trying to save it)

 

[Freakrider]

Pretty sure they all have a built in BMS. Can confirm AGs do (took one apart and balance charged it trying to save it)

Some brands advertise they have BMS like Battery Tender, many others don't and state must use a lithium specific charger which would seem to indicate not BMS protected.

 

[jo5hi3]

This whole leaving them stored fully charged is very wrong. You wouldn't like it very much if I told you to stay still after forcing you to drink several monster energy drinks, same with a lithium. Most of the nicer chargers have a storage charge mode. This will bring the battery voltage down to about half... for storage. They also recommend a lithium specific charger because of the voltage range of the lithium, it is very different from a lead acid or glass mat. Lithiums were designed to be charged and discharged, so they work great in total loss applications. They aren't really designed to take a quick hit and then get charged back up right away. The majority of this community isn't running total loss so these lithiums got a bad name from the start. Seal them up properly, keep them isolated from shock, and keep your voltage in check and they should last you a good while. I have several seasons on an antigravity without any issues.

 

[Quinc]

Lithium Battery on amazon:
"Our battery uses a hard shell, and the battery is filled with waterproof glue, the whole battery is sealed and waterproof, please rest assured to buy"

Amazon.com