Looking for recommendations: (Relatively) cheap not-quite flatwater freestyle

Heya everybody, I'd like some suggestions on how to get into entry-level freestyle (non-competitive) from where I am currently, which is best described as "Haha, good luck".

What I'd like: A ski that could barrel roll, submarine, whatever you call a horizontal 360, and maybe even back flip with a combination of a year or two of practice and reasonable setup wake from a wake boat or larger boat you'd see on a lake.

What I have to work with:
- A 2007 800SXR, fully functional, stock, used for two summers worth of weekend lake riding.
- A 1997(?) 750SX, heavily used / worn out / not running with a thumb sized 1/4 inch chunk missing mid hull on the bottom, that's been decaying out in the parent's yard for ~3 years. I think it'd run with some work, but the hull damage scares me.
- $2,500 ~ $7,500, assuming I'm willing to sell a kidney or continue living in a camper trailer for the foreseeable future (I am). Cheaper is always nice, of course.
- 5'6", 135lb rider with embarrassingly little freestyle experience. To be fair, I'm happy to even get the SXR out of the water and 180. Sometimes, I think it forgets I'm even riding on it, especially compared to the ol' 750. At least that would roll over if I leaned far enough.

The reason I say not-quite flatwater is because the lake I ride on is usually busy during the summer, meaning it's almost never flat. It's not wavy, but there's generally light wake cutting across in multiple directions. Lots of pontoon boats and john boats, a few wake boats, etc. in a 1/2 mile wide corridor at busy times means there can be a lot of chop. In theory, I might eventually take the ski out to the ocean, but around here I'd be in ~2-3 foot waves at most.

I'm open to almost any ideas. I have no brand loyalty and while I've read enough posts here to understand that "try before you buy" is absolutely spectacular advice, I also recognize that learning how a particular ski rides is part of the challenge and fun. As long as the ski can feasibly perform tricks after I learn them / learn it, I'd be happy. I guess an underlying hope is that the ski would actually last through the "learning process" which will undoubtedly include lots and lots of awkward landings, mistimed throttle use, etc. The only thing I'm 100% set on is that I really do not want to use the SXR hull. I'm learning towards an aftermarket hull with 800SXR innards as a starting point and additional modifications as I improve and $ permits, but anything goes.
 

McDog

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Get a cheap sn superjet and ride the piss out of it. Move to an apartment with a roommate or two in the meantime.
 

ProSouth

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I'd just sell your kawi stuff. Unless you still want to haul ass and carve around some. Yamaha stuff is way easier to find. Better/bigger pump options for later down the road. But, your kawi driveline is still an option as they do make good power. A few guys here run some EME hulls with kawi drivelines and love them. The new aquabot can be setup for a Kawasaki driveline. The sxr hull has to go though. Your gonna get nowhere fast with one of those.
 

RivMan

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Pickup a used EME Hull and a Factory Wetpipe setup for your SXR.

~$5000 ($3000 when you sell your stock hull), and you've got a great platform for pretty much anything you want to do, upgrade your motor for more flatwater capability as $$$ and skill permit.

That's my plan at the moment.

-Rob
 
Get a cheap sn superjet and ride the piss out of it. Move to an apartment with a roommate or two in the meantime.

Super Jet's a definite possibility. It'd be convenient since it'd be easy to title, get stickers for, etc. and I wouldn't have to worry as much about breaking anything. Roommates, not so much (rent here is as cheap as I'm going to find).

I'd just sell your kawi stuff. Unless you still want to haul ass and carve around some. Yamaha stuff is way easier to find. Better/bigger pump options for later down the road. But, your kawi driveline is still an option as they do make good power. A few guys here run some EME hulls with kawi drivelines and love them. The new aquabot can be setup for a Kawasaki driveline. The sxr hull has to go though. Your gonna get nowhere fast with one of those.

I've done a small amount of research about AM hulls that fit 800SXR parts (EME, BOB) but I don't know much about them and it makes sense that there (generally) will be more Yamaha parts available for freestyle.

Ignoring long term parts availability, would an aftermarket hull + 800SXR driveline + whatever parts I can squeeze in provide a better overall "entry level" ski than selling the Kawasaki stuff and buying a used (presumably modified) Super Jet, at least in the short term? How quickly does replacement / performance parts availability become an issue running a 800SXR driveline? If there's, say, $5,000+ worth of additional engine modifications, pump modifications, etc. that can be done before "going bigger" requires a Yamaha driveline, then I'm not too worried. On the other hand, If it's a case where going SJ driveline / hull right now means I can have similar performance in the present and cheaper repairs / upgrades down the line, then it's tempting.


Pickup a used EME Hull and a Factory Wetpipe setup for your SXR.

~$5000 ($3000 when you sell your stock hull), and you've got a great platform for pretty much anything you want to do, upgrade your motor for more flatwater capability as $$$ and skill permit.

That's my plan at the moment.

-Rob

This sounds like a reasonable plan. Regardless of what I end up doing, I'm definitely picking up a wet pipe.
 

ProSouth

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I can't vouch for the eme/kawi setup. I would pm swannysxr. He has kawi driveline and eme hull. It would be wrong for me to give an opinion on something I haven't ridden. I like yamaha for the aftermarket support/ oem parts availability.
 

N3vrSat1sfied

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I can't vouch for the eme/kawi setup. I would pm swannysxr. He has kawi driveline and eme hull. It would be wrong for me to give an opinion on something I haven't ridden. I like yamaha for the aftermarket support/ oem parts availability.

I can chime in on Swannys Q8 (well now yamaha set up). I have rode it when it was Kawi based. It ran great and I would certainly recommend that option to the OP.
 
This is an EME Q8 with a stock SXR Pump / Motor / Wetpipe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKlX0dPaVTg

Looks like fun to me!

On the topic of Q8s, is there a difference between a Sky and a Stalker? Or is it the same hull with different branding based on whether you're using existing parts versus letting them build it? I tried to figure this out from the EME website, but it's... a little difficult to decipher.
 
sell the kawis and buy a superjet. the money from the sxr should buy you a nice round nose. kawi motor just dont have the bottom end/throttle response necessary for freestyle. a 3 foot wave is plenty big enough to barrel roll off of. you aint doing no backflip for under $10,000 unless its in the surf.
 
Don't know why you'd need an am hull for the goals stated

It's not really that I feel the need for an after market hull right now. The decision is more or less "I have to get rid of this 800SXR hull. Do I just sell everything and find a SJ, or do I get an aftermarket hull and salvage the 800SXR parts?"

Either one will be an improvement. It's just a matter of which offers a better return on investment in terms of reliability, maintainability, upgrade costs, upgrade availability, etc. I should say that for this ski (entry level / learning freestyle) I don't intend to do anything that would compromise reliability too much.

sell the kawis and buy a superjet. the money from the sxr should buy you a nice round nose. kawi motor just dont have the bottom end/throttle response necessary for freestyle. a 3 foot wave is plenty big enough to barrel roll off of. you aint doing no backflip for under $10,000 unless its in the surf.

Ah, I wasn't aware there was much difference between the stock SXR vs SJ in terms of power delivery. I've never ridden a SJ, so I wouldn't know. When you say "nice round nose", do you mean the older '96-'07 ones with or the newest ones? Is the new lower hull / pump location worth it?
 

Big Kahuna

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sell the kawis and buy a superjet. the money from the sxr should buy you a nice round nose. kawi motor just dont have the bottom end/throttle response necessary for freestyle. a 3 foot wave is plenty big enough to barrel roll off of. you aint doing no backflip for under $10,000 unless its in the surf.

Guess you have never ridden a properly tuned Superstock level SXR then. I have ridden several that made me say "Damn, I wish I had this in my SJ". They make plenty of power if you know who to contact for the build.
 
08 and newer ride better but are more expensive. 96-07 are all the same and lower price. i can roll a limited sxr off a 3' wake but its alot easier on a sj that weighs 70lbs less and has better bottom end. kawi motors are junk and need a new crank way too often. ditch the kawi sxr and maybe fix and sell the 750 or part it out. get as much money out of everything you can. discusses me to see fools giving stuff away for beer money. just lowers the price of rare and valuable stuff.
 
Guess you have never ridden a properly tuned Superstock level SXR then. I have ridden several that made me say "Damn, I wish I had this in my SJ". They make plenty of power if you know who to contact for the build.

obviously you dont know who i think i am :)= i have or have had everything. i have a superstock sxr motor that i just pulled out of my QSM sxr hull. when i built it, it weighed 290lbs. it had huge power, but i scoured the earth for all the trick parts it had, or i'd have gone broke buying new. i'm not saying that a kawi motor cant make big power. i'm saying it aint cheap and yamaha is cheaper/better/lighter/freestyle friendly.
 

Big Kahuna

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I will agree on the cranks not being as good. Wait, I am on my 3rd Crank in 13 years on my SJ. and had my Race SXR from 2004-2010, lets see, That is 6 years of riding and still the same crank. 4 years was racing. As far as I know, the Original Crank is still going strong to the current owner. Damn, that is a 9 year old crank. Imagine that!!!!!!!!

in all seriousness, I do have friends that did race SS class that they did eat cranks some.
 

Big Kahuna

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obviously you dont know who i think i am :)= i have or have had everything. i have a superstock sxr motor that i just pulled out of my QSM sxr hull. when i built it, it weighed 290lbs. it had huge power, but i scoured the earth for all the trick parts it had, or i'd have gone broke buying new. i'm not saying that a kawi motor cant make big power. i'm saying it aint cheap and yamaha is cheaper/better/lighter/freestyle friendly.

I dont know you from a hole in the wall.
I have heard you have a reputation from other sites. I do not go by other peoples views of peoples reputations.
 
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