- Location
- Ontario, Canada
^^ +1
Surfriding Looking to the future
- Thread starter Keleher1
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JT_Freeride
John Tetenes @Jtetenes
- Location
- Long Island
Making hand warmers only takes an hour. Drill 6 holes in each grip and tap the middle of the bar run a line from your head up and boom your riding a jacuzzi. The over spray also gets your feet.
i think the part that bothers me most is the changes in price. the chans started at 3500, now they are more. same with brawlers, and almost all the hulls made. i guess the builders get greedy once they realise they have something, instead of making money by volume. this change makes it thats much harder for someone working a base pay job while in school to enjoy the sport. were not all making 100K+ driving BMW's.
- Location
- Oceanside, CA
The market sets the price .... The prices are where they need to be . I only know of one hull builder that makes his living exclusively on am hulls and only a hand full of parts people that do the same..... They are not getting wealthy. For most it's a side item something that fits with their existing industry. As far as making it affordable for a guy working his way thru school...... There are very few sports that could meet that criteria. Putt putt , throwing a ball around , hacky sack etc.
If you want to participate find a way. I had a friend in college that would dump his lease and would camp and live in his van to afford a duck hunting lease in Arkansas . Enough about price it's not a legitimate argument in any sport.
On to the point, I love the modular hull idea . Light weight de started with the concept , krash is playing in the sand box as well. I'd like to see further development in that area. One ski that can be modified to do it all . Hull tech is where I'd put my vote . Plenty of low cost motors ( relatively speaking) can get the job done with these smaller lighter hulls.
If you want to participate find a way. I had a friend in college that would dump his lease and would camp and live in his van to afford a duck hunting lease in Arkansas . Enough about price it's not a legitimate argument in any sport.
On to the point, I love the modular hull idea . Light weight de started with the concept , krash is playing in the sand box as well. I'd like to see further development in that area. One ski that can be modified to do it all . Hull tech is where I'd put my vote . Plenty of low cost motors ( relatively speaking) can get the job done with these smaller lighter hulls.
Half flip95
Formerly pondracer95
- Location
- Lake Havasu City AZ
riding spots dedicated to skis only: private facilities with small man made lakes. run em like motocross tracks. maybe build a wave pool?
I think there is too much focus on equipment. make the overall riding experience more enjoyable.
The freestyle at London Bridge this year was pretty sick.
I think there is too much focus on equipment. make the overall riding experience more enjoyable.
The freestyle at London Bridge this year was pretty sick.
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- Cruising Around
Youre funny man, you think we all just start with carbon Trinitys and Strokers? Got a little entitlement issue, ya get what you can afford and thats that. Sound like them burger flippers wanting $15 for being unskilled labor. As far as Chan and Brawler etc., do you not recall the "introduction pricing"? Sometimes part of the learning curve of hull and motor building is realizing youre losing money with current pricing. I got a hunch that youre younger than I am and probably dont remember that a 1991 full PJS X2 was $9000. Do the conversion to today's dollars and Youll realize that for what you pay today and power/performance you get pricing has come down. Like I said before, you can do it for less than do it. Otherwise wait your turn like a lot of us have and move on.
- Location
- Cruising Around
I like this idea too.
Quinc
Buy a Superjet
- Location
- California
I already bought two jet skis and they will probably be the last two I ever buy. However, if the industry wants to see numbers anywhere near the 80's they need to make them more affordable to the younger crowd. Sadly there are too many people over the age of 25 that can't even get on a standup, and by the time they can afford a newer jetski they buy a couch for ease of use...
Not sure the best way of doing this but they could build them like cars and have a cheap base model and a more expensive model. Maybe make them smaller to save on material costs etc.
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- Cruising Around
I was 25 and had 3 kids. They (industry) are already doing what they can, the rest is up to you to choose what you do with your money. You either think there is some huge %40 markup or expect the manufacturers to do all the R&D, pay for all the tooling and have a 5% markup so that you can have fun. And why should the industry focus on a demographic that doesn't have any money? You get more for your money today, you just aint been around long enough to know it.
- Location
- Edmonton, AB
- Location
- Ontario CA
I was 28 when I got me first stand up for $500 and as I got better on it I modded it out while I saved for another ski. I think what the sport needs is people willing to take others out with them or the ability to "rent" stand ups like you can dirt bikes. I've gotten two other people into the sport just by taking them out and letting them have a go at it. Stand ups are addicting and all someone needs is a freebee and they get hooked. It is not all about performance or money, a cheap ski that runs well is a blast. This sport isn't about having the most trick ski but about enjoying and being confident on what you ride and making it "yours".
it doesnt make sense and it hasnt happened yet
If people actually knew what went into building a hull.......its a lot of work, everyone thinks u take two halves glue it together and throw paint at it and tada youre done. thats how
hulls are built. same with motors, the amount of work that goes into these cnc'd monsters is ridiculous, $7400 for a xmetal 900r and it was a 10 week wait for one this spring. I dont see prices on items like that coming down any time soon.Id like to see people riding flat water skis in the surf and cranking off double flips etc
naticen
Site Supporter
- Location
- wilmington, nc
I need somebody to come out with a towable for me to be able to get a gas can and some brews out to the ride spot. I want something that I can pull 3 miles at 35+mph, pass a couple cruisers, and make a trip around the jetty with. Next winter, I may be emptying out a hull and modifying for this purpose.
- Location
- Gardnerville, Nv
I used to think that prices for am hulls, motors, and everything else in this sport was way high priced too until I finally got my hands dirty and learned how to do my own fiberglass work and customizing parts for my riding style. Once I started doing all of that I thought that companies should start charging more for what they do. But to get back on topic I'm really looking forward to seeing where the technology goes with motors and exhaust pipes this coming up year.
- Location
- Michigan
wishing a tv show would be created...just like that show Superbikes or whatever it was with Jason Britton...we need somebody to come out with a freestyle jet ski show...also looking forward to see where the next motors and the next hulls take us to
- Location
- Ontario, Canada
I can appreciate all perspectives on the variables between is the price too high or right where it should be. My thoughts go in a slightly different direction, with the cost of living going up each year by about 6% and the average minimum wage being about 60% below where it needs to be to afford the cost of living, very few people have the disposable income needed to pay for quality parts. I am just very thankful to have sites like this that can allow the beginner a chance to start where the pros did but at 40% the cost for used parts. I would be running a mainly stock ski if not for somebody affording to buy my parts first and then moving up from there. I extend my thanks to all the good sellers for letting me take part in something more than stock. But to add to the point of modularity, adjustable sponsons =)
baxt3r
BBQ
- Location
- Charlotte, NC
I know you guys feel like the price horse has been beaten to death, but I think there is a little merit to the point. When you can spend a few thousand more and get a ski with cruise control, cup holders, boarding steps, leather, AM/FM radio and air conditioning, why would you buy something that is harder to ride and actually requires some effort and motor skills? By no means am I saying that the people who produce parts and put them time into them shouldn't get what they are worth, more affordable options would help the sport grow. Maybe someone has the balls to try to finance skis for a reasonable price. I know everyone here says pay cash for your toys, but we are in the credit age and people will finance just about anything so they can have it now. A lot of people have absolutely no patience.
As far as the financing goes, try to have a $8000-9000 base ski and charge a fair rate, maybe 6% over 3 years. Or lower the unit price and up the finance rate to 10%. You'd have to do it in house to make it work, but you get a down payment and some monthly income. Handling a non-payment or a repo would pose a challenge because of the size of skis and the ability to hide them or part them out quickly, but motorcycles pose similar problems.
As far as the financing goes, try to have a $8000-9000 base ski and charge a fair rate, maybe 6% over 3 years. Or lower the unit price and up the finance rate to 10%. You'd have to do it in house to make it work, but you get a down payment and some monthly income. Handling a non-payment or a repo would pose a challenge because of the size of skis and the ability to hide them or part them out quickly, but motorcycles pose similar problems.
- Location
- Arnold MO.
I would like to see advancements in fuel delivery, fuel injection is far superior for emissions, power, consumption, tunning, and even weight if they can get it dialed in to work properly and effectively on our two strokes. It could show some progress for the sport. If they went with more of a returnless electronic controlled setup it could really simplify engine builds and probably cost. Obviously they would be pricey at first to cover R&D but the kits could be built as a universal setup and then adjusted to fit the metering needed for a specific motor.
Joker
...chaos? Its Fair!
- Location
- La Porte, Indiana
I can't wait for melmack to releases their rotary engine design