Does anyone have any input as far as pros and cons to each system? Im looking into doing some simple bench testing of some MSD units but I was looking for some insight on the TS2 twin spark. Just looking at some pictures the Twin spark looks like its really in the Flywheel. Although this is just a guess since i am not familiar with them.
MSD total loss vs TS2 Twin spark ignition.
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Ive done some research. Seems like mixed reviews on both. I know ATP was having issues a year ago or so but they had me sold on it. Ive personally never ran either.
speedysprocket
Alex
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- Chesapeake, VA
What is TS2 Twin Spark? I've run MSD TL in my Polaris based engine for a few years now, and never any issues beyond my wiring getting corroded outside the box occasionally... You have an EME 1200 as your name suggests...?
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- Tri-Cities, WA
Atp's newest version of the Flame TL.
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- Houston, TX
I also would like to see a comparison review for these two. More concerned with the reliability and quality control than which one "hits harder". Both are TL, both have programmable timing, I would imagine the performance is relatively the same. Who has run both and what were the pros and cons of each, and ultimately which did you keep/would buy again.
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- Tri-Cities, WA
Read through this: http://www.x-h2o.com/index.php?threads/atp-total-loss-ts2.153283/
Lot's of opinions in there before it turned into a bashfest about flywheels/bendix issues. I have not run both, however a local riding buddy that had an am hull and the same engine ran the msd while I ran the Atp and they felt identical (this is touched on in the posted link). I have not experienced the issues that others have and I haven't had the timing changed. Largest pro for me was being able to run the ATP in the oem e box. I have had zero issues and would buy again.
Lot's of opinions in there before it turned into a bashfest about flywheels/bendix issues. I have not run both, however a local riding buddy that had an am hull and the same engine ran the msd while I ran the Atp and they felt identical (this is touched on in the posted link). I have not experienced the issues that others have and I haven't had the timing changed. Largest pro for me was being able to run the ATP in the oem e box. I have had zero issues and would buy again.
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- Braapp factory
Lee Stone uses ATP ignitions
yes i have a EME micro with a worked over EME1200 using the MSD .. i have seen the twin spark flywheel just has 2 sets of magnets and a single channel. making if fire 2 times "assumption"
speedysprocket
Alex
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- Chesapeake, VA
So wasted spark.
Does your EME use yamaha or polaris stators?
Does your EME use yamaha or polaris stators?
its Total loss but its the newer cases that use yamaha parts
speedysprocket
Alex
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- Chesapeake, VA
Ok, that's convenient.
hard to get the polaris stuff now. and he made it where you can buy his motor and use stock electics until you can afford to upgrade. but be prepared for it to hit the rev limiter of the stock CDI. As a few to the other EME guys have seen.
Yea Lee Stone use a lot of stuff that looks like the stuff sold but nobodies ski acts like his...But I am well aware that skill makes a difference on how the ski acts too. still learning mine.
Thanks for the link to the other posts lots of good info on them... Still learning my way around the forums. I use to stay away from them because of the cry babies and know it alls but can't afford to test it all.
I did a little research and i think ill stick to my MSD set up the TS2 has 2 sparks with the second programmable up to 10 degrees apart. I still uses stock style coil so unless the CDI unit has the ability to increase input voltage to the coil its not much stronger then the stock spark. MSD on the other hand not only has 1 spark but has multiple sparks for 20 degrees but then changes to a single even stronger spark after 3000-3300 rpm. The TS2 also switches to the single spark ignition after 6000 RPM .... According to MSD there isn't enough time for multi sparks after the 3000 rpm range this has to do with the saturation of spark energy and time to fire with enough power. MSD units step up the voltage and store in capacitors for the ability to sustain the spark energy at all RPM ranges This is why the coils are paired to the ignition because they have a different number of turns then the stock coil to handle the higher input voltage. A standard coil has to take a much lower input voltage and raise it to the high voltage to arc the gap of the spark plug MSD uses its unit to step up the voltage and store it in capicitors at around 400-500 volts then outputs to the MSD coils to step it a second time so a higher voltage is achieved with less strain on the coil. spark voltage around 30,000 volts
Yes hooking up a laptop and using some software to tune on your ski sounds cool and all but I don't want my laptop near the water, so ill stick to my dip switches.
Yes hooking up a laptop and using some software to tune on your ski sounds cool and all but I don't want my laptop near the water, so ill stick to my dip switches.
Freakrider
X247
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- Tampa Bay area
A technician with MSD advised us years ago that their TL system generates 50,000 volts. One thing for sure is it's one hellva spark to watch and hear while testing.
And it hurts like sumbitch when ur not clear of its path. Ask me and @McDog how we know.
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This is possible with a different coil but the single tower coils that are part of the 2ch kit are designed to generate 30k. the high voltage its mainly to make sure it jumps the gap of the plug its not exactly what makes it hot. its the amount of the amperage behind it. The car ignitions would see higher voltage due to the amount of turbulence in the cylinders. If you ever get into boosted applications its a big help.
Freakrider
X247
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- Tampa Bay area
Tech guy was referring to the dual coil set up as being 50K volts don't know if that system puts out more than the single tower.