Other my winter 2011/2012 mental debate over a new hull or a new motor

[Frosty]

here's my dilema: I plan on doing something over the winter... question is what...

do I keep my current LPW ported 760cc motor, which is very strong, reliable, and hits nice out of the hole - and buy a light hull

or

do I keep my shortened 2008 SJ, reinforced, and setup the way I like it, and build a bigger motor?

ride conditions:

75% flat to 1 - 2 foot chop - which I hate
20% 3 - 5 foot waves - which I like
5% overhead waves - my favorite

I need to go with something that will be for all conditions, so i can't have a 'purpose built hull'. and I can't really justify (or afford) to do both a hull and motor - still working to finish the beach house. I have no plans for competion of any kind... I ride for me and me alone (I'm a sole surfer)

I've contemplated: Gen2 BOB, Superfreak, Rickter, or WCF Vision - all would be with my current motor

or

XS ss865
Dasa 850cc PV
Dasa 850cc NPV
ADA 828cc stroker

all would be in my current RN SJ

I'm looking for other thoughts and opinions - and if a new motor is the route (no new hull) thoughts on the power plants listed above? Help me think clear and rationalize my future....

 

[Waternut]

I have a big bore 785 motor and it's setup for flatwater with total loss and all. It's very strong but even then, I think it's too much for the surf. Even 2-3 footers become quite painful on the landings after a while and that pisses me off because I start backing off on the throttle because I fear the jarring landing. So that said, I'd personally go with an aftermarket hull over a bigger engine for a surf ski. I've ridden a lot of hulls but don't ride surf enough to recommend one of those hulls for your application though.

There is the potential argument that a stronger motor will make the more common 1-2 foot chop more fun but I also believe a lighter hull will make that chop more fun as well.

 

[ocdfreeride]

i have a rickter( xfs) and the( fr 2) the conditions you have for riding, i would go with the xfs with your 760 motor,just my two cents

 

[Frosty]

There is the potential argument that a stronger motor will make the more common 1-2 foot chop more fun but I also believe a lighter hull will make that chop more fun as well.

exactly my dilema...

i have a rickter( xfs) and the( fr 2) the condions you have for riding, i would go with the xfs with your 760 motor,just my two cents

hows the xfs feel on flat to chop conditions?

 

[ocdfreeride]

flat its good just not at high speeds, it rolls easy on flat just with a ported x-metal 701 and b-pipe, ada head,stock pump with tbm cone and big hub prop

 

[ocdfreeride]

3ft waves with the xfr you'll be in love

 

[Frosty]

3ft waves with the xfr you'll be in love

flat its good just not at high speeds, it rolls easy on flat just with a ported x-metal 701 and b-pipe, ada head,stock pump with tbm cone and big hub prop

cool... good info... thanks bro...

 

[MADMAT]

Light hull with your motor! My vote!

 

[Freakrider]

IMO: Light hull = less expensive motors for life.

Big motor= more expensive parts/rebuilds for life.

This seems to be the formula Jetmaniac and many of the east coast Florida surf riders follow with the Superfreaks.

 

[Frosty]

Light hull with your motor! My vote!

thanks Matt... the only problem i have is, I have not ridden any AM hulls... not one. so it's a super leap of faith... which i am willing to take, but i just need to make sure that a hull, and not a motor is the way to go... too many choices too.

 

[Lucaumpits]

I have a Jetmaniac 760, stock pump and a epic, in a -2 glass Superfreak hull 78lbs

I just freaking love it

Btw, the superfrea glass hull is lighter than any carbon/ Kevlar hull in the market, keep that in mind

 

[Frosty]

cool... btw, how are all these AM hulls holding up? I pretty much broke my heavily reinforced '96 RN in half, and my prestine '08 (with two layers of 26oz biax, and a layer of 5.5oz carbon) is cracking in half at the same spot.

 

[Penken]

I have a Jetmaniac 760, stock pump and a epic, in a -2 glass Superfreak hull 78lbs

I just freaking love it

Btw, the superfrea glass hull is lighter than any carbon/ Kevlar hull in the market, keep that in mind

lightweight.de?
compositech?
carbon bob?






i was thinking of getting a glass freak at first but tem convinced me to go carbon since i only ride flat. surf mabe 1-2 times a year.

i bought my hull without riding any aftermarket hulls. except a bob. not to talk down on the bob since i spent so little time on it. but being a heavier guy and riding in some slop it was not for me. i only rode it for like 15min so i cant realy say anything about it.

the only thing i can say is that after reading reviews on the badass 2011 superfreak. i feelt confident putting down 7900usd on something i had never rode or seen in person.

have not read one that had something bad to say. except the work going in to getting it preped and painted and someone complaining about short poles and long poles.

find ross champions review it was a good read and he seems to always be honest about his ride reviews. the one on the bob to.

 

[Waternut]

exactly my dilema...

I guess what I was trying to get at was... The lightweight hull improves riding in all conditions. The engine improves riding in small surf but discourages riding hard in large surf. A big engine also drinks more gas and is a lot more expensive to fix if it's swamped and damaged...

 

[Frosty]

I guess what I was trying to get at was... The lightweight hull improves riding in all conditions. The engine improves riding in small surf but discourages riding hard in large surf. A big engine also drinks more gas and is a lot more expensive to fix if it's swamped and damaged...

That's a really good point. My motor is perfect for surf riding... anything over 3' and I have no problems with big air tricks (BF, BR's etc). it's the small crap, chop and flat where I don't have fun. a light hull would likely remedy that for sure... additionally, my motor is very reliable... so why mess with a good thing right.

 

[Lucaumpits]

So far we haven't heard any hull fail, except few hood that had crack in the inline, and I'm sure Tem already adjust that.
Heavy reinforced doesn't mean strong, I had a oem hull before and was 3/4in thick that I destroyed

Bra get you butt on a freak

cool... btw, how are all these AM hulls holding up? I pretty much broke my heavily reinforced '96 RN in half, and my prestine '08 (with two layers of 26oz biax, and a layer of 5.5oz carbon) is cracking in half at the same spot.

 

[EXPERIMENTAL]

man, i wish i had your problem........can't decide how to spend my money...haha jk jk

but seriously, you do have a difficult decision to make, you have two choices.......

1)if you buy an aftermarket hull then you have to decide which one... and this could be hard because of your need for an all around good free riding hull......

2) if you buy a bigger motor there comes the question..... do you have a pump to push all of that extra power? there comes a point when a stock pump, or even a stock modified pump could just not have a capability to push all the power your motor is pushing out, so if you went with a motor you oculd also have to consider that you may need a bigger (skat -mag) pump to push all of that extra.

solution: it comes down to this, if you already have a bigger pump or your think your current drive train is set up for a new and bigger motor, then by all means get a bigger motor and ride the hell out of your SJ body

if you don't think your pump can handle it, get a lighter hull and your current motor should seem to have more snap because of the high power to weight ratio...

in the end i really didn't answer your question fully, but i gave you my thoughts if i was in your shoes

all in all it sounds like you have a great ride as it stands, and in the end riding is a lot better than wrenching if you can help it.

-Jake

 

[Tmart]

I've only ridden one aftermarket hull but I told myself after riding it that day that I was only keeping my RN for the rest of the season then I was going to upgrade. I have read and read and read every article I can find about any AM hull that I could possibly want to buy from bob hull to stunt to superfreak. I understand that you absolutely cant go wrong with a superfreak if you can afford it for flat or surf (just watch josh, chris, & lucus's videos!) But it sounds like the motor you have in your hull now is good, and you have to realize your going to lose about 50 up to 100 lbs(carbon) of hull when you switch to an AM hull so that motors going to be an absolute animal. Just something to think about. Also like you said, why mess with a perefect motor that doesnt drink gas

 

[Droste14]

That's a really good point. My motor is perfect for surf riding... anything over 3' and I have no problems with big air tricks (BF, BR's etc). it's the small crap, chop and flat where I don't have fun. a light hull would likely remedy that for sure... additionally, my motor is very reliable... so why mess with a good thing right.

"If it's not broke dont fix it"

 

[NVJAY775]

Light hull with your motor! My vote!

X2 on that. I haven't been on an am hull yet, but am leaning towards a gen 2 bob due to cost. But ultimately want a carbon sf. Hopefully get off my arse and go ride a gen 2 bob this winter. They're only a few hours away from me.