wydopen
onthepipe
- Location
- Goleta the Goodland
yea those were the days when people actually knew how to ride their skis like they were made to be ridden..
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Freestyle New found respect for stand up riders
- Thread starter Stunts
- Start date
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ridethelip
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the kind of turns,carves and hacks that really show the way
watch
parko rings bell
http://magicseaweed.com/Parko-Rings-Title-Intent--Content/3188/
watch
parko rings bell
http://magicseaweed.com/Parko-Rings-Title-Intent--Content/3188/
- Location
- Alexandria, VA
Wow!!!! That was a really nice ride...that dud definitely took advantage of a really nice set.
I am definitely amped up to get back out there, just gotta find time to fix my bilge and get an afternoon of work. I will work on surf stance, see what works for me. I kind of tried that once and it seemed really unstable but I don't think I was going fast enough. I have so much to work on! I really want to be able to turn/carve well in my holds for when I am in the surf/freestyle.
How do you stop the ski from constantly skipping out of the water when your going fast? Everytime I tried catching up to my couch on the water, the SJ would constantly bounce/skip out of the water, major pain! Thanks for everyone who has replied and helped me out, I appreciate it, hopefully one day I will be posting vids of pulling off backies in the surf and look back at this thread and laugh!
How do you stop the ski from constantly skipping out of the water when your going fast? Everytime I tried catching up to my couch on the water, the SJ would constantly bounce/skip out of the water, major pain! Thanks for everyone who has replied and helped me out, I appreciate it, hopefully one day I will be posting vids of pulling off backies in the surf and look back at this thread and laugh!
- Location
- Brigantine, NJ
Need to get your weight up front to stop the porposing at speed. Getting your feet out of the holds will enable you to do this.
Buckwild12
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- Location
- Chester, Maryland
Weight forward for sure will help with the porpoising but if you aren't running on a lake keeping it nose planted at full speed is an art, at higher speed with sponsons you have more of an issue with wobbling left and right, it seems to track better at an angle in the water. One thing you can try is to try and work on your balance on the ski at idling/ no wake zone speeds, it takes alot of balance and throttle control to do slow speed standing up as well, and if you fall of then you have no chance of hurting yourself. Looks like the weather is going to be crappy this weekend and I am dying to ride, how fitting!
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Ok, feet definitely coming out of the holds next time I am out, I just hate having them so close together! I have R&D Race sponsons on their now but will probably look into different options when I hit the surf. Yeah I want to work on the slow stuff too, want to be able to do it all! If I can figure out my bilge pump and why its not working anymore, I think I may get outta work early on friday and ride, its going to be nice but the weekend sucks.
Buckwild12
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- Chester, Maryland
The bilge should be pretty straight forward, if it's connected and the fuse is still intact it should work, but I have had pumps burn out on me, it's not often but it does happen. Di-electric grease, on ALL electrical connections when salt water is involved and don't be stingy with it!
Check out the pole eating, suicide sub at 1:51.
It was working the first time I had it out, but I only used it when I wrecked. Everyone said leave it on all the time while riding so I did that. When I started out it was on, then halfway thru riding I couldn't hear it anymore. So I don't know if it burnt out, a connection came loose or the fuse blew. I do know the switch is hooked up backwards (has the positive running to it, not ground) but don't think that will effect it. Hopefully I can get it fixed and get out there friday before the crap weather comes in. Hows the new superfreak?
Buckwild12
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- Chester, Maryland
The superfreak is awesome, way more stable than any other ski that I have ridden, the tray is enormous with the front foothold, can't wait for a nice weekend to get some more ride time on it! I may go out Saturday but I hate riding alone I've had too many long swims to shore when things don't go according to plan. I can tell you are hooked though, anyone that on the x as much as I am has it bad, you will get there as far as ridin comfort, and probably quickly, but don't be too hard on yourself, this most certainly isn't the easiest thing in the world to do.
That is awesome! I love those hulls even though I have never seen one in real life, they just look cool. Ever since I saw an all carbon one with superfreak written down the side I thought it was badass! I could definitely benefit from a larger tray, I hate being so confined to my SJ, if I am not in my holds my feet touch! Where I go out at the Bohemia, if something happens I am so close to shore its not a bad swim at all, plus I have buddies that have slips there if I need help and its free for me. Where would you go out Saturday and what time? I might be able to go later in the day, but I can't be traveling too far. I don't want to hold ya back though since I am such a newb, I don't deserve to be riding with a superfreak yet haha. Hopefully I can fix my bilge though otherwise I am not going anywhere, hardest part is finding the time.
Buckwild12
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- Chester, Maryland
This weekend I am riding local, but on the first weekend of June we are going to be in OC marlyand for the OC rager, riding in the bay and in the surf there, it's probably closer for you, if nothing else you can come out on a couch and watch people in person maybe get a few ideas of things to try, I guarantee there will be backies to witness there. Should be quite a few of the riders in our area there.
- Location
- Alexandria, VA
Yea, I caught that too.....pretty ridiculous
So I pulled out my rule 500gph bilge, it says 2.5 amp fuse on it. Does that mean it has an internal fuse or I need to run that inline? Currently there isn't one, but I touched the leads to the battery and it worked. So I'm going to rewire it the proper way, just need to know if I need to buy an inline fuse or not. I'm out noiw so an answer asap would be much appreciated!
Stunts: keep trying. I started riding stand ups in Wyoming, and there was NO ONE around to help me. I started in 2006, gave up, started again in 2009, and now have a few skis and one is a stunt hull to start learning backflips, etc. I can sense your frustration, and I too wished for more vids, comments, and even books that I could devour for more info on how to ride. It wasn't until I looked at my 1st owned ski, sitting in my garage unused for nearly 3 years, that I decided to strap on a pair and ride the beotch, full speed ahead! I can offer the following, for what it is worth...
If your bilge doesn't have an inline fuse holder, install one. My bilge also stopped working, and whenever it has, it has been the fuse. The fuse will keep your bilge from grounding and/or burning up (drawing too much amps trying to pull debris, sand, etc). Short of debris getting into the impeller of the bilge, bilges can run dry and all day long. At worse, getting a new 500 gph bilge is around $30. Get the bilge wired right, put in the fuse holder, keep a few spare fuses handy, and leave the bilge on all the time. In all my lake riding, even in heavy chop, my bilge only spat out water once. Of your hood seal is good, your scupper is taped over, and the bilge is working, ride "worry-free".
Start riding on your knees. When you are putt-putting along on your stomach starting of, lift yourself onto the tray but only get on with your knees. Trying your turns in that condition you'll see how leaning in turns will make you want to tip and wipe out, but applying throttle will pull you out of the tip over. The key here is being low in the tray... kneeling down. The lower center of gravity will make the ski feel more stable and let you build your confidence. Also, kneeling lets you change your body position and sense the difference in how your ski behaves easier. You have both knees touching, along with your shins, and your calves are pressed against the gunwales... it really helps develop your senses with so many contact points. Soon you'll feel how turns work/don't work with throttle versus leaning versus steering, etc. And with an SJ, you'll soon realize how much you need to lean over to get the ski's chines and side rails to bite in the turn versus getting it to skid.
When you stand up to practice your turning, I'd suggest slowing down instead of speeding up. Going fast makes things happen quickly when you start to loose control. Going fast takes finesse, and that comes with time. Yes, racers look like they are manhandling their skis, hanging over the edge, so on... but you are not there yet. If you go slower, you can power out of a tip over better, shift your body weight with a perception that it does more, and coordinate your throttle to steering inputs. Slow for me is right at, or even just below planing speed. That "slow" speed helped me develop a sense of balance better, and feel the ski's handling better than when I tried going fast. My brain couldn't process everything that was happening when I was going fast.
My last few suggestions are to squat a little when turning. It lowers your center of gravity a touch, and if your knees are bent, it lets you use body language by shifting or moving your legs to counter the ski's tendency to tip over. Try riding surf stance more... it imitates riding a skateboard/surf board, etc. I think that stance, when learning to ride, helps you wiggle and dance a little on the ski more than being in footholds, because when your ski start to tip over, being in footholds requires more throttle, body language, and finesse than your skills are at right now. And for your right hand turns, I too had problems going right. What I did was start a very gradual right hand turn. No intentions of doing anything abrupt or fancy, just a large right hand arc. It usually ended up being, "tip-turn a little, gas and straight, tip and turn, straight again" and so on. I thought the Queen Mary could have made sharper turns than me. But the key to that was developing my sense of balance, throttle, weight shift, foot position, steering input, pole position by processing each one of those one at a time, then putting them together. Example: start gradual turn, what does tweaking the handlebar a little do? Ok, after that, what happens when I goose the throttle? Did moving my feet forward or back, side to side help? Did squatting a little work better? Doing things that way let me incorporate all those details into fun turns now, only 2.5 years after really getting into riding! Then, as your confidence builds, decrease the arc of your turn. At some point, a light will come on and turns will be fun and second nature. But go slower, take little bites, and just smile when you are riding. You'd be amazed, but smiling really does help. Have fun!
If your bilge doesn't have an inline fuse holder, install one. My bilge also stopped working, and whenever it has, it has been the fuse. The fuse will keep your bilge from grounding and/or burning up (drawing too much amps trying to pull debris, sand, etc). Short of debris getting into the impeller of the bilge, bilges can run dry and all day long. At worse, getting a new 500 gph bilge is around $30. Get the bilge wired right, put in the fuse holder, keep a few spare fuses handy, and leave the bilge on all the time. In all my lake riding, even in heavy chop, my bilge only spat out water once. Of your hood seal is good, your scupper is taped over, and the bilge is working, ride "worry-free".
Start riding on your knees. When you are putt-putting along on your stomach starting of, lift yourself onto the tray but only get on with your knees. Trying your turns in that condition you'll see how leaning in turns will make you want to tip and wipe out, but applying throttle will pull you out of the tip over. The key here is being low in the tray... kneeling down. The lower center of gravity will make the ski feel more stable and let you build your confidence. Also, kneeling lets you change your body position and sense the difference in how your ski behaves easier. You have both knees touching, along with your shins, and your calves are pressed against the gunwales... it really helps develop your senses with so many contact points. Soon you'll feel how turns work/don't work with throttle versus leaning versus steering, etc. And with an SJ, you'll soon realize how much you need to lean over to get the ski's chines and side rails to bite in the turn versus getting it to skid.
When you stand up to practice your turning, I'd suggest slowing down instead of speeding up. Going fast makes things happen quickly when you start to loose control. Going fast takes finesse, and that comes with time. Yes, racers look like they are manhandling their skis, hanging over the edge, so on... but you are not there yet. If you go slower, you can power out of a tip over better, shift your body weight with a perception that it does more, and coordinate your throttle to steering inputs. Slow for me is right at, or even just below planing speed. That "slow" speed helped me develop a sense of balance better, and feel the ski's handling better than when I tried going fast. My brain couldn't process everything that was happening when I was going fast.
My last few suggestions are to squat a little when turning. It lowers your center of gravity a touch, and if your knees are bent, it lets you use body language by shifting or moving your legs to counter the ski's tendency to tip over. Try riding surf stance more... it imitates riding a skateboard/surf board, etc. I think that stance, when learning to ride, helps you wiggle and dance a little on the ski more than being in footholds, because when your ski start to tip over, being in footholds requires more throttle, body language, and finesse than your skills are at right now. And for your right hand turns, I too had problems going right. What I did was start a very gradual right hand turn. No intentions of doing anything abrupt or fancy, just a large right hand arc. It usually ended up being, "tip-turn a little, gas and straight, tip and turn, straight again" and so on. I thought the Queen Mary could have made sharper turns than me. But the key to that was developing my sense of balance, throttle, weight shift, foot position, steering input, pole position by processing each one of those one at a time, then putting them together. Example: start gradual turn, what does tweaking the handlebar a little do? Ok, after that, what happens when I goose the throttle? Did moving my feet forward or back, side to side help? Did squatting a little work better? Doing things that way let me incorporate all those details into fun turns now, only 2.5 years after really getting into riding! Then, as your confidence builds, decrease the arc of your turn. At some point, a light will come on and turns will be fun and second nature. But go slower, take little bites, and just smile when you are riding. You'd be amazed, but smiling really does help. Have fun!
Edmoto, thanks for taking the time to write out that detailed post. I'll definitely try turning on my knees first, then surf stance. Hopefully I'll get my bilge fixed today and get out tomorrow. So with turning you never actually turn the bars, its leaning the ski over and getting an edge, but turn the bars opposite to save from wrecking?
Thanks to everyone who has helped to, I really appreciate all the input. Hopefully soon I can post back of me stoked because I made a killer right turn haha.
Thanks to everyone who has helped to, I really appreciate all the input. Hopefully soon I can post back of me stoked because I made a killer right turn haha.