Freestyle New found respect for stand up riders

Buckwild12

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Also and I know this may sound like something that should be self explanatory, but try and turn your chest in the direction you want to go, alot of people just turn their head, if you turn your chest as well your body posture will follow and keep you centered properly in the turn, I use the same method you teach youth hockey players how to hockey skate more efficiently.
 
Good advice, I have a lot to work on, hopefully I can get out there tomorrow. Hockey huh? I played very competitively all my life, hopefully it'll help!
 

Buckwild12

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Me too, I played minor pro in the s.p.h.l. For a season, was an equipment manager for the caps for 14 years until my boss got fired and the new guy replaced me with one of his buddies 2 seasons ago. Same hockey principles apply, you will get it just imagine the crossing over posture and your body will follow to keep you in good posture. Same as hockey the lower your stance lower the center of gravity.
 
Thats pretty cool! Being on the bench must have been wild! So you know greene, ovechkin, backstrom etc, thats awesome!

I'll let everyone know how I did if I can get out on the water tomorrow, depending on how crappy the weather is saturday, I may go out then too.
 

Buckwild12

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Yep, I taught Ovie english, I was with him his first day in the US, we went rockfishing out of Solomons island, yep I grew up with those guys, knowing them assisted me in my manwhore past :) first season with the caps is the year we got swept by the wings in the finals, those bastards cost me a Stanley cup ring!
 

edmoto

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I ride motorcycles, too. Even raced a season in the CMRA before racing made me realize being poor and trying to race just made be broke instead.

While there are similarities to riding motorcycles, I would not go out and ride thinking, "this is how it works on a bike, so this must work on a ski also". I think you will just start getting frustrated trying to understand why one aspect of riding doesn't work, never mind all the other little details.

Counter steering on a ski doesn't work like it does on a bike. There are centrifugal forces acting on the wheels to help keep the bike upright that you need to "counter steer" to get the bike to lean over and turn. When you turn on a ski, moving the handlebar right makes the jet squirt to the right, pushing the hull from the back to spin to the right. If you tried to counter steer left on a right hand turn, the pump will squirt to the left. That means you are leaned over to the right, center of gravity is also shifted to the right (which, if there was no power means you will tip over to the right) and now the pump is squirting left? That propulsion force will want to make the ski power straight ahead but you are leaned over to the right, so voila... you are in the water. Imagine going very slow on your motorcycle, like in a parking lot. Like going around a parking cone at 2 or 3 miles per hour. Your handlebars are turned right, you are leaned right, and you are using throttle to keep the motorcycle going and to overcome the bike's desire to just fall over. If you counter steered in that scenario, can you see how you would crash? Same deal with the jet ski. If you are counter steering on a ski, you are doing a trick.

And just as others have said, face the direction of your turn. I would add to look ahead of your turn as well. Think of your motorcycle again. When you are turning on your bike, are you looking at your front wheel and the ground in front of it, or through the turn? It is amazing to me how looking way ahead of your turn, when leaned over on a bike, knee puck just beginning to scratch pavement, ass hanging off, etc, you are still able to make the turn, but you do. I think it would help you to look ahead of your turn on the ski, too. Start your turn and look anywhere except the nose of the ski. Do you find yourself looking there? Then you target fixate on that spot, that little wave, that little splash, and never get your mind to match where your eyes are telling you to go.

When I started doing turns, my process was: 1) set up my feet, 2) bend my knees a little, 3) look and think ahead of my turn, 4) tweak the steering handlebar a little to get the turn started, 5) feel my balance and shift my weight a little by pressing my foot down into the tray to make the ski "sink" or "bite" into the water better, 5) apply more throttle as the force of propulsion keeping the ski on plane and stable diminishes as that speed gets scrubbed off by the changed angle and friction of the ski's hull interacting with the water in a turn, 6) tweak the steering a little more as I keep working the throttle to keep myself going. Eventually, when you want to finish your turn you will hit the gas even harder and as your speed increases the ski will want to stand up again and you'll be going straight again. When I was practicing turns, I stopped thinking, "I started this turn, and I'm going to finish it!". Instead I said to myself, "I'll start this turn and see how far I can go.". That stopped me from committing to the turn even as I felt the ski starting to go down. Rather, as I felt myself about to go over, I focused on just powering up and getting straight again. Much less frustrating that way, for me at least. Some turns were maybe 10 degrees, some were complete 90 degree turns, and soon they were 180's and 360's. It may be hard to believe me now, but once you get a day of riding in where your turns were just "ok", but at least they were turns (versus crashes), the light will come on and all of this will click. Soon, you'll be putting a buoy in the water to zing around. You'll be seeing how tight you can do turns (like on your couch... handlebar fully cranked over and creating a nice little tsunami in the middle of your circles), and then putting together turns of lefts and rights, combos, etc.

Do you have someone (girlfriend, wife, girlfriend and the wife?) who can video you? Watching yourself afterwards in quiet seclusion in your home, seeing yourself look like a noob really helps you appreciate what is working and what isn't. Make sure you video yourself as close to the camera as possible so you can see yourself as best as possible in all your glorious goofiness.

And remember to smile and laugh at yourself. Riding a stand up is something to be proud of.
 

wydopen

onthepipe
u definitely need to turn the bars..its a combo of leaning and steering.. when u are turning try putting the pole down on the hood..it keeps your center of gravity much lower and u wont be as prone to tipping over...

during the turn u want to accelerate out of the corner...that will keep the ski planted...u cant turn hard standing with both feet in the back of the tray unless u are chris maccludge...put one foot forward..your back foot should be at the very back of the tray...if u put your foot sideways with your toes facing the gunwhale instead of pointed forward u have much more control...think of it as kicking strait out as opposed to kicking out to the side...u have much more control/strength kicking forward...when u are turning u need to really weight the back of the ski to keep the pump hooked up...

make sure your elbows are up just like on a moto...proper body positioning is the most important thing and most of the people i see riding standups have terrible body positioning and their turns suffer...
 
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Buck, that is F'n awesome! I'm sure you got some hilarious stories to tell about times with those guys.

edmoto and wydopen, thanks for the help and input. I guess I am really going to have to practice practice practice and find out what does and doesn't work. When I watch videos I see people going hard into turns and their bars look straight! I see some people just messing around and they turn no problem with their feet all the way in the back, no surf stance, not going to fast, just toying around. I am no where near that comfortable yet but hopefully one day will be able to do all that stuff, right now it just doesn't make sense to me. So you use the bars to start the turn, do you put them straight once your in the turn and ride the edge of the boat or do you keep them turned? I see people setting up their own wakes for freestyle, just doing that seems impossible to me, let alone the backflip! I have such a long way to go.
 
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stop watching videos and thinking about and just go out and ride, you're over complicating things. just start slow and let your instincts take over.... 30 minutes of ride time you're not going to have everything down and no amount of RAFM is going to assist with that.
 
Nope, didn't make it out, been busy and I am away this week for work. Haven't even finished redoing my bilge. Its going to be crap weather for the next week and its memorial day weekend after that, might not get out for a while unfortunately. Did you make it out yesteday?
 

Buckwild12

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No but I got a few things squared away on my ski, put a different curve in the epic, hopefully that's the last time the Ebox has to come out, it is tight in the back of my ski! Going to ride the balls off of it next weekend. Ed's freak should be ready by then too, supposed to be mid 70's and partly cloudy next saturday
 

Schmidty721

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stop watching videos and thinking about and just go out and ride, you're over complicating things. just start slow and let your instincts take over.... 30 minutes of ride time you're not going to have everything down and no amount of RAFM is going to assist with that.

Best advice in this thread.
 
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