Freestyle Nosing in back flips off a power slide

swapmeet

swapmeet

Brotastic
Location
Arlington TX
I tried it on Sunday, slide to flip is easier than a flying 180.

I don't have anywhere near enough $ under my hood to pull this off, but it served the purpose I set out for. Get used to not landing it, landing with the ski coming down on me, and practicing all the moves involved with doing a flip.

Im still using surf stance, which has drawn some criticism but I can't keep my left foot in the hold so I figure its best to keep it up near the center of the rotation instead hanging off the back of the ski dragging me off and slowing potential rotation. :dunno: or I'm just making all that up lol...
 
Philip Clemmons

Philip Clemmons

Owner, P&P Performance
Location
Richmond, Va
hink320 said:
I've been trying the slide to flip with only marginal success. I can't seem to get any 'pop' out of the water, I just rotate on top of the water. So I grew some balls and moved up to trying set up wake flips. I'm getting there, the first couple were a bit scary but it gets better.
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Prolly too far back on ski. It's important to stay rigid and centered. If you lean back, the rear sinks and you pull the ski on top of you. If you pull in yo the bars and stand up tall, rigid, and centered, the ski will gain height and rotate faster.
 
hink320

hink320

Location
sask, canada
Philip Clemmons said:
Prolly too far back on ski. It's important to stay rigid and centered. If you lean back, the rear sinks and you pull the ski on top of you. If you pull in yo the bars and stand up tall, rigid, and centered, the ski will gain height and rotate faster.
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I think that's exactly what I'm doing. I'm leaning and pulling back on the ski and basically just falling backwards on top of the water, not gaining any height. How do you get the actual rotation if you stay rigid and centered? Just lean and pull back later I'm guessing?

This is one of my lame slide to flip attempts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHZtwqGmOEE

Here's my first couple of set up wake flip attempts. I'm still a bit scared of my 1200 so I'm trying to kind of feather the throttle so the flops aren't very high and don't hurt as much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3n_LBjOMuc
 
Byeai

Byeai

"Cheetos-Man"
Location
Melbourne FL
On a 1200 just grab some gas man don't be scared just don't let go what's the worst that could happen this just DON'T LET GO and don't let go

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subhard

subhard

TITS OR GTFO
Location
anchorage ak
This is a video of my second day riding my new 760 hurricane.
http://vimeo.com/71453380
Makes me feel better watching similar failed attempts on 1200s. I feel like I'm really close. Between trying noob setup wakes, slides, and 180s, so far 180 flips have been the easiest by far for me.

Update: I'm landing almost all of mine now. http://vimeo.com/73634097
 
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Philip Clemmons

Philip Clemmons

Owner, P&P Performance
Location
Richmond, Va
Your ski sounded horrible on the slide flip. Your setup waves need some work ( they are small and shaped wrong), and you need to slow down, and be sure the nose drops into the bottom of the wave. Slowing down will jet the boat rotate more, but your wave is small and you're timing is off.

Don't be scared. Go WFO early and be sure and hold it until you hear it rev up. You're beating yourself up worse by trying to take it easy. The further they come around, the softer they are. Commit and go for it. There's no place for holding back until you start landing them on your azz :)

Here's a youtube vid of me two weeks ago. I'm not a great rider but it gives a good view of the wake, speed, and blipping of the nose. And that's with a lil Dasa 900 ;)

http://youtu.be/Or8IP_F5rN0
 
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deftons56

deftons56

Brian
Location
lake goodwin
hink320 said:
Here's my first couple of set up wake flip attempts. I'm still a bit scared of my 1200 so I'm trying to kind of feather the throttle so the flops aren't very high and don't hurt as much.
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Well it makes sense now that you say you're just feathering the throttle... I thought I remembered seeing your build thread with the 1200 but in those videos it looked more like a 701, you have to commit and go full throttle!! After my first few attempts I kept catching the nose and flying forward off my ski, then had one that could have been landed and went off the front of the ski from just being used to it happening. I was like "damn, I could have landed!" And after getting the confidence of getting one that I could have landed I went out and stuck my next one. I have also come up short from pretty high up and it doesn't hurt, just go for it and don't let go.


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zzylstra

zzylstra

Location
Valley Springs, CA
I've came to the conclusion that my ski needs to be completely vertical before my ride plate leaves the water, smaller setup different steps. I have some new gopro vid I've got to edit, but it's up close third person view
 
hink320

hink320

Location
sask, canada
One of the main reasons I suck at the slide to flip is when I do the slide water rushes in my exhaust and basically kills my motor. Same thing when I do aerial 180's. I know it doesn't really look like it in the video, but there were 60km/h winds and it was pretty choppy so it was harder to time my wake. I know it all needs work, that's why I got my gf to shoot some video, so I could see what I'm doing wrong. Thanks for the tips guys.
 
swapmeet

swapmeet

Brotastic
Location
Arlington TX
Hink, you're getting a little farther around (nosing in) than I am on my Chan with a 770. Grab a handful of of that 1.2liter and whip that thing around.

Good advice from Phillip on centering up. I'm leaning back and doing exactly what you said, flopping on to my back. I'll try to re-position and see if it helps.
 
Philip Clemmons

Philip Clemmons

Owner, P&P Performance
Location
Richmond, Va
Guys I couldn't flip a year ago. I've learned these things on my own, via the pancake method. Nothing I've said is meant in a critical/negative way. It's amazing how aggressive you need to be to stay centered. Everyone try's to yank it around. You can't yank until its in the air. Stand centered and let it happen. Once you're in the air, pull it around. Don't rush it.

On the slide/180 stuff, try to flip or get on it sooner to keep the exhaust clear. I've found in my combos if I go quickly from one to another, I have no issues. If I wait, same issue.......
 
Superjetjim

Superjetjim

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Philip Clemmons said:
Guys I couldn't flip a year ago. I've learned these things on my own, via the pancake method. Nothing I've said is meant in a critical/negative way. It's amazing how aggressive you need to be to stay centered. Everyone try's to yank it around. You can't yank until its in the air. Stand centered and let it happen. Once you're in the air, pull it around. Don't rush it.

On the slide/180 stuff, try to flip or get on it sooner to keep the exhaust clear. I've found in my combos if I go quickly from one to another, I have no issues. If I wait, same issue.......
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Some great advise there...
 
hink320

hink320

Location
sask, canada
You're thinking of truerider411, he still has his KDX and his wife's Rok-r. Thanks for the kind words guys, I'm getting close. I have my nozzles bored, my reduction nozzle is 87mm I believe and steering is 91mm. I'm running a 14/21, but it almost seems like its spinning the prop at first and I have a 15/22 I am going to try out.
 
Philip Clemmons

Philip Clemmons

Owner, P&P Performance
Location
Richmond, Va
Slow down and you'll nail it! You're speed is killing rotation. You may be missing a bit of the wave at the bottom if the pocket, but its tough to tell from vid.
 
Bobert540

Bobert540

Site Supporter
Location
Rockford,MI
This is the 2nd flip i have ever completed but its a good POV. I watched a lot of videos on here and Philip was right on as far as being centered and let it happen. Setup wake practice made the difference for me. Some boats I can get a better wake with U shape others seem to require a rounded L shape. You just have to commit to it and it will happen!

A big motor doesn't hurt either. Thanks to SMDubs for letting me flip his ski!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kqr6ow9gkr62oqo/VIDEO0024.3gp
 
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