Super Jet power to weight ratio

[Half flip95]

why put a stock driveline in a $5000+ hull?

i think it makes more sense to put a $5000+ driveline in a stock hull

lose 30lbs or gain 60lbs of thrust?

:starwars:

 

[4SeasonsPower]

Because its not just about weight.

 

[tipafew]

Because its not just about weight.

Exactly!!! The aftermarket hull has far more benefits other than weight. I would much prefer a stock motor with an aftermarket hull......let me clarify.....the right aftermarket hull.

 

[Matt_E]

why put a stock driveline in a $5000+ hull?

i think it makes more sense to put a $5000+ driveline in a stock hull

lose 30lbs or gain 60lbs of thrust?

:starwars:

1. Hulls are typically more reliable pieces of equipment, dollar for dollar, than expensive drivelines.
2. Hulls need far less "setup" and "tuning" tribal knowledge to kick ass.
3. It's not all about weight - the major advantage that a/m hulls have over stock hulls is favorable geometry. That's why you see 100 lb glass BOB's and 110 lb glass Rickters being flatwater flipped with nearly stock drivelines.
4. A stock driveline in a $5000 hull is guaranteed to change your ride experience (for better or worse).
5. A $5000 driveline in a stock hull is guaranteed to make your previous ride experience a little faster. (If you tuned it right!)

 

[Freakrider]

I could not believe how much fun a temporary stock 61x motor in my Superfreak was on flatwater.

 

[Half flip95]

but with the hull your giving up something to gain something, the motor is all gain.

 

[Half flip95]

all good points matt, hulls are idiot proof upagrades

 

[Matt_E]

but with the hull your giving up something to gain something, the motor is all gain.

Explain.

 

[ProSouth]

but with the hull your giving up something to gain something, the motor is all gain.

no

 

[ProSouth]

what about the motor you have. you get rid of that to put in the new motor.

 

[Half flip95]

your trick ability greatly increases, but you lose some versatility. a big motor in a stock hull will improve flat freestyle ability. a big motor in a stock hull is still a good all purpose boat. a stock motor in a little hull is a specialty boat. you gain more freestyle ability but lose the ability to run the buoys with the boys. even if your hull is stable and turns well you're gonna cry when you get t-boned, which will probably happen alot because you wont be going very fast with a stock motor and short hull.

 

[ProSouth]

i used to think the same thing. a stock hull with say a 900 motor is way less versatile than a 65lb SHORTER and wider hull with a 701 and a pipe A/M hulls are the business

 

[ProSouth]

youll learn your "posture" on the new ski. i can get my bob to lay down and haul ass if i want it to. i just have no desire to. i have a SN for that kind of jazz

 

[shaunsteezy]

have you ridden an am hull? it makes your 701 feel like an 850. its hydrodynamics at its finest.

 

[Matt_E]

your trick ability greatly increases, but you lose some versatility. a big motor in a stock hull will improve flat freestyle ability. a big motor in a stock hull is still a good all purpose boat. a stock motor in a little hull is a specialty boat. you gain more freestyle ability but lose the ability to run the buoys with the boys. even if your hull is stable and turns well you're gonna cry when you get t-boned, which will probably happen alot because you wont be going very fast with a stock motor and short hull.

1. That depends very much on the a/m hull. I can tell you a Freak is more versatile than a stocker ever could be. Especially a light a/m hull like a Freak with a stock driveline. You can do everything you could do on the stocker, plus more. But, choice of hull is important.
2. You're going to cry a lot when you throw a rod in that $5k motor of yours. And a lot of big freestyle motors won't take kindly to buoy racing. So that argument is meaningless.
3. One can make the same (useless) "losing versatility" argument about bigger motors in stock hulls. Can't really do hood tricks anymore. Can't really do 2 hour rides on a tank of gas anymore. Don't really want my friends to ride that expensive motor. Wears you out faster. Etcetera etcetera ad nauseum.

My point is: You're looking at this from only one side. Nearly all of your arguments apply just the same in the stock hull + expensive motor configuration.

 

[jd91t]

I think we can all agree more power/thrust is always Fun
I find myself becoming "adjusted to" last seasons power every year, and building just a little more.
More air. Bigger jumps/stabs. More zoot!
I'm proB near 100hp w/my current setup.
Rode my buddies 1000cc billet, pfp, glass rickter last summer.
Awesome! Scary! Work! jello arms after 10min.
While the hp was cool I kept thinking man I'd love to Ride this hull w/way less power.
So "I" could do some riding/tricking/enjoying instead of just blipping white knuckled hoping I could stay in the tray.

In conclusion I'll continue to want/build more power every season until I'm satisfied (if that's possible , or until it becomes unreliable (no start = no fun) then back off a notch
That being said $5k hull gets my vote

 

[wanderer1]

your trick ability greatly increases, but you lose some versatility. a big motor in a stock hull will improve flat freestyle ability. a big motor in a stock hull is still a good all purpose boat. a stock motor in a little hull is a specialty boat. you gain more freestyle ability but lose the ability to run the buoys with the boys. even if your hull is stable and turns well you're gonna cry when you get t-boned, which will probably happen alot because you wont be going very fast with a stock motor and short hull.

Your statement may correct on certain dedicated flat water boats. But I'm curious what you give up on a Bullet Gen1-2 Wideboy-X2,Trinity EVO-Matrix-Vector-X2,WDK ROK-Rev-Envy,Wammer SJ,LegDrag SJ and so on. What exactly is the lost ability you are speaking of? Most flatwater flip with a little extra power,they rip and carve bouys,and kill it in the ocean. I feel your point is mute. If it's about dough then yes an A/M hull isnt for everyone,but the quality is usually much higher than an oem hull,strength is also much higher than an oem hull. And Parr doing hood tricks on a KDX 1200,wonder what he gave up?

 

[XJCrawler]

My buddy swapped everytghing over from a stock sn with a bpipe into a Carbon matrix and it was insane! Had way more power!

Give me a stock motor and a $5000 hull over a stock hull and $5000 motor any day of the week

 

[kevbo]

Because its not just about weight.

Its mostly about impressing others. A modified OEM hull may have the correct dimentions but will be relatively heavy and weak.

 

[Freakrider]

Another advantage of a carbon hull is there's definitely a fuel rebate because they use a substantial amount less fuel from my experience. You also have a lifetime of potentially less expensive motors by choice that will perform well in a light hull.