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ANT

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the more money they make the more there is room for growth. who gets recognized the backyard garage shop or the big @ss dealership. Blowsion doesnt get bigger on hopes and dreams, they make money and gives them more oppurtunity to do more things. Just as a small example, Travis Pastrana and Nitro Circus met with freeriders in Mexico and blowsion did up a ski for them and helped make a great image for our sport. Freeriders wouldnt have and be able to do half the stuff they do if it wasnt for the aftermarket companies researching and developing stuff for their skis. You and i would be on stock skis. This is a broad idea but you can get the idea of what i'm getting at.
 
the reason that blaster was a deal is because he could turn around and sell it for more than he paid for it.

If he gets it running.

Even if he does get it running he still has a lot to do to the ski to be able to have fun with it. Come on Tim you and I both know a stock blaster is about as fun as a Honda.
 

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the more money they make the more there is room for growth. who gets recognized the backyard garage shop or the big @ss dealership. Blowsion doesnt get bigger on hopes and dreams, they make money and gives them more oppurtunity to do more things. Just as a small example, Travis Pastrana and Nitro Circus met with freeriders in Mexico and blowsion did up a ski for them and helped make a great image for our sport. Freeriders wouldnt have and be able to do half the stuff they do if it wasnt for the aftermarket companies researching and developing stuff for their skis. You and i would be on stock skis. This is a broad idea but you can get the idea of what i'm getting at.

What you're describing is helping companies get more revenue.
It has very little impact on getting more people into the sport.
Do you believe people stay away from this because the aftermarket support isn't there?
 

hangtime

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:haha:i guess you never rode a ski with one, think before you type. people dont buy them cause they arent as reliable.


I never have ,so I don't know ,but I and a lot of other peoiple would rather have a more reliable piece of equipment since a ski sitting in the garage does not have more power than one that's running .:1244:

To each his own ,maybe you'll let me ride yours at the Daytona fest and make me a believer .:biggrin:
 

ANT

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What you're describing is helping companies get more revenue.
It has very little impact on getting more people into the sport.
Do you believe people stay away from this because the aftermarket support isn't there?

i never said it had anything to do with people getting into the sport, i said it supports it. Also, if a company moves more product and sales numbers grow they can drop the prices of their products. All these companies do parttake in growth of the sport. It is a contributing factor, I never said it's the only factor. another factor: a part of our sport that helps it grow are the events that happen, a lot of the events are made possible because of companies in the industry that sponsor them.
 

ANT

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I never have ,so I don't know ,but I and a lot of other peoiple would rather have a more reliable piece of equipment since a ski sitting in the garage does not have more power than one that's running .:1244:

To each his own ,maybe you'll let me ride yours at the Daytona fest and make me a believer .:biggrin:
hahaha i never said i was running one, just that they have more hit. theres a b-pipe in my ski because they are more reliable, but the type 4 does have more hit.
 

Matt_E

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Look, my only point is this: talking people into buying only new aftermarket parts, and not used, is not going to be the savior of this "sport".
Buying more parts has zilch to do with where this "sport" is at.


I never have ,so I don't know ,but I and a lot of other peoiple would rather have a more reliable piece of equipment since a ski sitting in the garage does not have more power than one that's running .

To each his own ,maybe you'll let me ride yours at the Daytona fest and make me a believer .

I am convinced that properly set-up drypipes do indeed make more power than a B-pipe.
That said, I got tired of constantly f'n with O-rings on my Speedwerx.
The Bpipe has less power, but it never needs messing with.
 

Crab

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What you're describing is helping companies get more revenue.
It has very little impact on getting more people into the sport.
Do you believe people stay away from this because the aftermarket support isn't there?
Best way to get new people in the sport is let them ride a ski. As for the drypipe, I have rode both and they are both good. Dry is less money used, but a little more work installing. If I recall, Ross's new orange ski Blowsion made for him runs a dry.
 

ANT

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Look, my only point is this: talking people into buying only new aftermarket parts, and not used, is not going to be the savior of this "sport".
Buying more parts has zilch to do with where this "sport" is at.

not a savior, but support.

agree about the dry pipe matt, haha at least we can agree on that
 

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Just a friendly discussion. :biggthumpup:

It's cold here and snowing.
If I weren't moving this week, I might be bored.
 

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Go work on your ski.

I actually had my trailer hooked up today and drove through town. People must have thought I'm nuts.
Had to drop of the X2 at Jeremy's house.
 

Crab

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Go work on your ski.

I actually had my trailer hooked up today and drove through town. People must have thought I'm nuts.
Had to drop of the X2 at Jeremy's house.
I did a bit today, heated up and pushed out the rear side by the exhaust tube, I think it will stay once foam is in there.
 

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Used parts are not worth 50% of new, 60% of new, or any percentage of new. If you sell them based on formulas like this, you are short selling yourself.

We live in a capitalistic society. The ONLY factors that determine price are supply and demand. That is, the value of anything is based on that of which someone will pay for it. NADA can say your jet ski is worth $5000, but if it sits for a year unsold, NADA is wrong. The marketable value of that ski maybe $2000, and since marketable value is the only thing that counts (unless you sell insurance), your ski is worth $2000. It works the opposite too, my quad is valued at $1300, but I could sell it for $1500 in a heart beat (people are begging for it at this price). It is worth $1500, or more.

It's easy to explain the cost of used parts. Used parts are worth what ever people are willing to pay for them (and what people are willing to sell them for, despiration is powerful). The values of used parts are so high because they do not depriciate. Our sport is one designed arround preformance in a corrosive environment. All of our parts are made out of stainless steel and aluminum. Just because the ride plate is used, doesn't mean it's worth just 50% of new. It's functionally and durably is as good as new, it's simply worth less than new because it's not shiny and "new". An aluminum head will bring $40 less than a new one for the simple fact that there is no difference b/t the two. It's aluminum, and the odds of the item having a pre-existing condition at the time of purchase that is not apperent is highly unlikely. Therefor, the risk to the second hand buyer is very low, so the value of the item remains high. The only reason used parts are worth less than new, is because noone will buy used when the can buy new.

The prices of new have to do with three important factors, supply, demand, and cost. If demand doesn't justify the cost, there will be no supply. Costs rise to offset demand. It's simply not the same as used.

As for the comparision of the stand up community VS the MX community, well, there is no comparision. There are a number of contributing factors, the two most previlent being the number of riders and the technology.

MX has FAR more riders than JetMX (do we have an abbriviation? I'm dubbing us JMX!!!). There is a MUCH larger community purchasing MX than JMX. That means there's more dollars in the sport and more hands reaching out for product. The discussion has been about aftermarket, but think more simply at about OEM. There's a dozen major manufacturers of MX, but only two are involved in JMX. There's simply more people.

The biggest topic of discussion is about purchasing new aftermarket production. Purchasing new aftermarket parts is not only going to have no impact on the sport, but it's a waste of money. There is NO comparision at all between JMX and MX aftermarkets. Everyyear, for the past 20 years, MX has seen HUGE improvement in technology. Each and every year, the model you purchase is better than the year prior. Noone will tell you to go out and buy a 1996 anything to take to the track. It doesn't happen because the techknology in MX improves every day. The suspensions improve, the engines improve, the everything improves. There's not one part on an older bike you'd take off and put on a new one. People go buy a 2008 MX pipe because it is different and better than the 2007 MX pipe.

How many times have you heard someone say "just buy a 1996 roundie, it's the same as the 2007". Why go buy a brand new B-pipe when it is exactly the same as the one made 10 years ago? THe aftermarket preduction doesn't suck because people don't buy new, it sucks because new is excatly the same as used. With the lack of new technology being introduced, coupled with the fact that fiberglass, stainless steel and aluminum do not (not really) deteriorate, there's no reason to buy new.

The lack of new developments in the sport, coupled with the low number of players, makes the market suffer. There are people who buy new, but most buy used because it's the same, and since there's so few mouths to feed, manufactures are not wasting their money to bring food to our table.

Two things will bring more new product and lower prices to the sport. More people, and more technology (making a reason to actually buy something new).

(Used buying guides base their prices on the idea that noone would pay more for a 1996 than they would for a 1997 all things equal, but they do not take into consideration the avalibility of items. Given the 1997 is not avalible, the 1996 may sell for more than the 1997 sells for at a different time, and in our sport, the superjet is the same.)
 

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Fact is, the sport is NOT growing. The day has come and gone. Our small niche of the sport may be growing, but the sport as a whole is NOT growing and is not going to. Personally I don't even want it to grow. The more of us there are the sooner we'll have no place to ride. Most "jetskiiers" are not particularly savvy in the ways of boat etiquette and so we'll continue to piss off real boaters. I'm very comfortable with having a few riding buddies and keeping it that way. I almost never see other standup riders when I ride at the public lake near me and that's fine by me.:wink:
 

Vumad

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Fact is, the sport is NOT growing. The day has come and gone. Our small niche of the sport may be growing, but the sport as a whole is NOT growing and is not going to. Personally I don't even want it to grow. The more of us there are the sooner we'll have no place to ride. Most "jetskiiers" are not particularly savvy in the ways of boat etiquette and so we'll continue to piss off real boaters. I'm very comfortable with having a few riding buddies and keeping it that way. I almost never see other standup riders when I ride at the public lake near me and that's fine by me.:wink:

I consider our sport different than the 3-person boats people call jet skis. Most people who ride a stand up, X2 or WB1 know what they are doing. Most people who think they know how to dive their jet propelled boat of a PWC don't have a clue.

I would classify a Jet ski and a PWC differently. I would like to see the Jet ski sport grow, and the pWC sceene dimish.
 

Crab

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Unfortuantly all the wishfull thinking won't change the fact that pwc sitdown sales drive the industry, and standups etc. are not really even a money maker, if it weren't for racing they too might be gone.
 

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Fact is, the sport is NOT growing. The day has come and gone. Our small niche of the sport may be growing, but the sport as a whole is NOT growing and is not going to. Personally I don't even want it to grow. The more of us there are the sooner we'll have no place to ride. Most "jetskiiers" are not particularly savvy in the ways of boat etiquette and so we'll continue to piss off real boaters. I'm very comfortable with having a few riding buddies and keeping it that way. I almost never see other standup riders when I ride at the public lake near me and that's fine by me.:wink:

Charles, when we do meet up some time, I'll have to buy you a beer sir. :biggthumpup:
 
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