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Big Kahuna

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thanks for proving my point once again... the powers that be don't care and the guys compete in crap.

turn it around though... It could have been sunny, no wind and no chop

the powers care, put up some money, make an investment in the future so guys compete in a state of the art facility, more people compete, more people watch, more money, tv, ect... what they are doing now is half ass IMO... and my opinion does count, because I'm looking at it from the outside.. just as you stated, I don't compete, but I gad damn well know what is interesting... and being that only about half of that was actually immpressive.. watch a MX freestyle. you will be hard pressed to pick a winner cause they are all so good, w/ great bike in perfect conditions. That's what it will take to make this sport move anywhere besides down the tubes. how amny years ahs this sport gone nowhere... not even a blip on any sports news...EVER!!!! I use to see jet sking on ESPN...

Second Paragraph: Good observations......... (See Bold). This has been the on going arguement for years...... problem is ......... heck, there is too many problems to begin to list........... Starts with the organization, but it been going down hill for years. Unless you have a stadium that brings in 40,000 +/- paying fans like supercross, not much is ever going to happen.........The money is not there. Hit up Mike Young at the Daytona ride......... He could give you some good insite.... This sport/Hobby is just not that big or interesting to the masses..... cold hard fact...... to us, it is the ********, but to the average guy that goes to Supercross, they could care less...........



I think one of my cats pissed in my wheaties this morning.........
 
With MX and SX the variation can change and the jumps change to make people go bigger all the time. It seems that the racing drew the attention to those sports and the freestyle has followed. The truth is on flatwater there is no variation the double boat wake made a step to push the game up but why not throw in tubes to gap, rails to grind that allow more variations. If you look at freestyle skiing and snowboarding there's alwasy multiple lines you can hit forcing variation. That is what happened with wakeboarding alot. Putting objects out there that push the limits help with the evolution.

Slut I get your idea with the flat water but guys skiing and snowboarding dont' stop when its snowing out and the courses get slower. I guess its all what the sport can afford.
 

Scorn800

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Honestly, The Powers that Be really do not give a rats ass about freestyle.......... there were only 20 competitors (give or take 4) for the whole week vs. a couple hundred racers........ we need to be thankfull that they even have freestyle.......

That's BS.
The IJSBA wants freesylers there. It draws a crowd.
I like when you say Buns run was a yawn.
Did you hear the crowds reaction?
From a specator's view. Freestyle needs to be big, fast, & tech.
The top 3 all got what they earned. The water was rough but it was an even playing field.
 
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I judged both am and pro freestyle at world finals, and was shocked to be told before i started judging that my score out of ten for am should be no lower than 6.5 an no higher than 8.5, and for pros no lower than 7.5. i was discusted. I judged the numbers i believed every rider deserved, whether it be a 0.1 or a 9.9. it was sad to see such crap going on up there and judges that had no clue on freestyle, some judges were giving scores for the pro's between 9.5 and 10 constantly. even parrdaddy (sorry to point you out), you had issues and this guy gave you a 9.5. I was the only judge there who could even name each trick and the others had no clue, some where giving out .2 of a point for each trick, if you wouldve done 20 subs you wouldve won in their eyes.

whether that made sense or not im not sure, your all worried about the freestyle arena and tricks. watersports is watersports, conditions will never be ideal 100% of the time and we all deal with that. you cant put a boundary around the area because then the wake from the ski would rebound and make for worse chop.

If I were all of you I would be more worried about whats going on behind your sport.
 
i think you have to deal with whatever conditions are thrown at you, it shows who is the better all around rider. you guys should have been to the Unadilla GNCC (for those who dont know a three hour MX race through nasty nasty new york woods) it rained all night and day, conditions were terrible, but you know what it seperated the men from the boys its just how it is. it was mentioned before SX races in the mud and it doesnt make the sport look foolish if the conditions arent ideal, it just shows you do what you can with what you got...if the pros didnt ride in the chop because the water wasnt perfect it would make the sport look like a bunch of sissy nascar wannabes.
 
the sport is fine, some years sports push the limits more than the others. this year was not one of them. I wouldnt say that this year has been unproductive though, last year there where two clear winners, this year the amount of talented riders pushing their own limits to meet the standards has increased 1000%.

2minute runs are perfect.

The only thing i would suggest to do with it is make it 3minutes and add a fun box with a rail.
 
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yamaslut

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jesus christ... go back and read the ********ing thread... I never said people should be p*ssies and not ride in the conditions given... I made a ********ing point that the setup of the event could be better, if you don't agree, whatever, but

I NEVER ********ING IMPLIED THAT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO ADAPT.
of course we should have to adapt... christ, I live in Florida, I now all about it...

My point is like I said 50 ********ing times The people who run this mickey mouse sport should provide a better venue. End of ********ing story...


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Big Kahuna

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That's BS.
The IJSBA wants freesylers there. It draws a crowd.
I like when you say Buns run was a yawn. Excuse me for having my own opinion........
Did you hear the crowds reaction?
From a specator's view. Freestyle needs to be big, fast, & tech.
The top 3 all got what they earned. The water was rough but it was an even playing field.


A competitor doing the same trick over and over is boring......Yeah, the tricks are huge, not knocking it.......... But as a freestyle competitor watching another, it bored me to tears....... But this is not the first time I have said this...........Freestyle today has changed, it is a flip and roll show............. It is no longer freestyle where you have competitors throwing out all different kinds of tricks, not the same ones over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over are over you over getting over my over point over............

Yes, by todays standards the top three got what they deserved.........
 

DCRocks

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One thing that was brought up, and got my attention, is that there could have been items to be used as part of the freestyle event.

Perhaps a logjump that could have been BR & BF'ed over, or subbed under.

Maybe a couple of buoys to do tricks around.

I found the top half dozen fun to watch, but the lack of different tricks, seemed to make them repetitive.

Like I said before, the unique tricks would not have to be very hard, or very technical, just unique.

It seemed like all the was done was BFs, BRs,and Subs, with a front ride on the ski thrown in here and there.

I do understand that the conditions made it more difficult than normal, but then, in most cases, I would not expect glassy conditions. Glass is a rare condition, from what I have seen of freestyle events, but perhaps I have just not seen enough different videos.

Also, it seemed the riders were making a good bit of chop themselves, by riding around in circles back and forth through the area.

Still, I found it entertaining, and fun to watch, espically the top 3.

It did look as though the runs were not very planned out, except for the winner's, but once again, that might have a lot to do with the conditions, as was pointed out earlier, and guys throwing out some of the tricks from their routine because of it.

If someone was reading through this thread, to pickup ideas on how to improve their freestyle runs, the common points I have seen are:

1) do a set number of the basics, but have a unique trick
2) have a planned out run
3) try to link tricks
4) try not to do to many of the same tricks over and over

comments on how poor you thought they performed are just unhelpful, but actual comments on how to improve a freestyle run, might be helpful to all freestyle riders, and of interest to everyone in general.
 
jesus christ... go back and read the ********ing thread... I never said people should be p*ssies and not ride in the conditions given... I made a ********ing point that the setup of the event could be better, if you don't agree, whatever, but

I NEVER ********ING IMPLIED THAT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO ADAPT.
of course we should have to adapt... christ, I live in Florida, I now all about it...

My point is like I said 50 ********ing times The people who run this mickey mouse sport should provide a better venue. End of ********ing story...


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Man you alright? your losing it here haha.
 

Scorn800

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A competitor doing the same trick over and over is boring......Yeah, the tricks are huge, not knocking it.......... But as a freestyle competitor watching another, it bored me to tears....... But this is not the first time I have said this...........Freestyle today has changed, it is a flip and roll show............. It is no longer freestyle where you have competitors throwing out all different kinds of tricks, not the same ones over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over are over you over getting over my over point over............

Yes, by todays standards the top three got what they deserved.........

Yes, freestyle has changed. it's called PROGRESSION. I want to to see rolls & flips and varations of those tricks. Not tricks that were cool 10 years ago.
Hood tricks- SUCK. that's my opinion.
 

Big Kahuna

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Yes, freestyle has changed. it's called PROGRESSION. I want to to see rolls & flips and varations of those tricks. Not tricks that were cool 10 years ago.
Hood tricks- SUCK. that's my opinion.

Hey, I am happy for you............I am glad that they put a show on for you............. sounds like you got your money's worth..........

That is all that matters.


Kinda like watching Die Hard 10 times, it the same movie over and over......It is good every time you watch it.......but not much variety.

I prefer To Watch Die Hard, Lethal Weapon (1 and 2), The Patriot, Saving Private Ryan, Bourne Identity. Hunt for Red October............ Just throw in some great movies and you get a wide variety..........


Progression is great....... First time I saw Malones Flair then his flair into a back flip was awsome........ But someone needs to take it a few steps farther... We dont want to see what happened with FMX after the first back flip was done......... everybody did back flips. Now they are finally throwing variations of them, but for a while all you had to do was a back flip to win.........
 
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