Problems with post and threads

[Big Kahuna]

Lately there has been a rash of threads that go way off topic, arguements ensue, Flame wars, insults, even some threats because of this.

What do you all think should be done?

Delete the off topic post? Normally people bitch and moan if we do this.

Create a Judge and Jury (comprised of you- kinda like getting summonsed for jury duty) and decide what to do with the defendants?

Let them keep fighting?

Just outright ban the troublemakers? Hell, we could put a vote up and let you all decide who are the worse and send them packing.



I am just thinking out loud. I am not speaking for Darin, Paul, Penguin or Matt.


Honestly, We have tried different ways of doing things, and none seem to work. (That is not the best description, more like we have yet to find that happy medium)

I go to a mountain bike site some, the way they do it is straight forward, but here is the deal, the admins/owners are not like regular members, they dont post. Darin, Myself, Shawn, Matt are all regular people we all have our own personallities. Darin typically stays out of drama. He just does not get into it. And when he does, he says what he thinks and that is it, he wont even respond to emails. Matt post a lot, or did. He normally does not get envolved unless Waterhawk is involved. Dont know what it is, but Travis sucks Matt in. (Granted, it is not hard to go 15 rounds with Travis). Shawn, He does not give a chit, he will get into it in one thread and then not in another. Me, I will dive right in. Being able to converse, joke around, help out is what it is about. I have met some really good friends that will always be friends for the rest of my life. The point I am making is we are just normal members who post as well, not some group of people who are only involved with the site when there is trouble. That may be a good thing or a bad thing. Personally, if I had to make a choice, either be part of the community or just be a umpire and not be part of the site then I would say take the job and shove it.

Like I said, just thinking out loud. My thoughts and comments do not reflect the opinion of the rest of the Admins/Moderators.

 

[FyrHazard]

I know I'm a bit of a newb here yet, but my 2c:

In real life, I feel it is best to let a situation or argument work out to conclusion or it will keep coming up. The internet is a whole different ball game. Arguments can go on endlessly and rather pointlessly until everyone is sick of typing.

I've seen a few forums where the Mods will just lock a thread when it starts getting out of hand and then lock every other thread that comes up about it until the subject dies out. The problem for active Mods is where to draw the line.

I personally would like to see this happen when people get angry enough to start name calling. The aim of this site is to be a Family-Friendly Freestyle Epicenter. When people start breaking out the cuss words and calling eachother names (and mean it, not joking), something serious should be done to cool things off immediately IMO.

I've said before that I hate the drama and that's why I came over here from PWC, but to be truthful I read the threads just like anyone else to see what's going on. But these threads cast a very negative light on our community when they get out of hand.

 

[Matt_E]

Create a Judge and Jury (comprised of you- kinda like getting summonsed for jury duty) and decide what to do with the defendants?

We sort of already have that.

I agree with most of what you said. I apologize for my sometimes lengthy arguments with Travis. Both of us enjoy it, and we're on good terms with each other.
IMHO, the less moderation by us, the better.
I don't typically delete O/T posts unless they're in a sales thread.
I lock feedback threads when they have run their course, and I lock discussions when insults start flying more than regular posts.

 

[Big Kahuna]

We sort of already have that.

I agree with most of what you said. I apologize for my sometimes lengthy arguments with Travis. Both of us enjoy it, and we're on good terms with each other.
IMHO, the less moderation by us, the better.
I don't typically delete O/T posts unless they're in a sales thread.
I lock feedback threads when they have run their course, and I lock discussions when insults start flying more than regular posts.

I mean literally form a jury. Pick 5 people at random. show them the links, let them decide and make a recommendation..... Yeah, we do kinda have that. But put some actual meat behind it.

 

[Matt_E]

Mob justice....I like it!

 

[Rickster]

You have Moderators here to keep the peace, let them make a decision and stand by the decision.

The reason for the decision does not, nor should it have to be made public, if someone has to go then kick them out.

If you cannot take the backlash from the 'group' that sides against the moderators, then you should probably not be a moderator.

:scratchchin:

Edit: Stop trying to please everyone, it will never happen.

 

[WFO Speedracer]

I think you should form some kind of round table committee,give it a cool name and find a bunch of people to serve on it,and if any of them does not agree with you kick them off and replace them immediately,no wait______________________________________________________________________________

 

[The Penguin]

"bitter" party of one - your table is ready.

 

[CoreyLKN]

I mean literally form a jury. Pick 5 people at random. show them the links, let them decide and make a recommendation..... Yeah, we do kinda have that. But put some actual meat behind it.

Yes i like it!

 

[kraqus]

My 2 cents.

Let the X moderate itself. We are (I am new but I already feel part of a family) a dysfunctional family as someone said it before....and I like it that way, after all we all ride a 300 pound missile under our feet, we are full of testosterone and basically to some extent are a bunch of adrenaline junkies.....what do you think is going to happen if you put them all in the same room? do you really expect them to behave? to some extent YES and NO.

What I have a problem is DISRESPECT. Just like any relationship, once you lose respect, that is it, nothing else matters after that. X members need to take this site seriously, I do mean it. For some people "The interweb" will always be that fantasy land where you can be anything you want and never take anything seriously, and never be taken seriously.

I AM REAL, some of you know me, most of you do not. I consider my avatar to be an extension of myself at the X. I consider this site my Home and turf, this is where I belong and I will promise you this....I will never disrespect any of my brothers....there is way too many people already against us and we do not need to become our worse enemy.

if most members do the same thing....The X will moderate itself....no Government involvement would be necessary....but the site does need Moderators no doubt about that and I like them the way they are, involved in the site, and showing the same kind of disfunctionality as other members on this site sometimes.....LOL!

Let the moderators do their job when they see the need for intervention and X members need to step up to the plate and start acting like the real human beings we all are.

I have faith in the Human race.....The X will moderate itself....



p.s: Moderators, 30 day ban on anyone acting stupid....:haha: j/k

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

Matt post a lot, or did. He normally does not get envolved unless Waterhawk is involved. Dont know what it is, but Travis sucks Matt in. (Granted, it is not hard to go 15 rounds with Travis).

it's because we're buds, H. we don't dislike each other, we just like to "discuss" things and opinions. we learn things from each other. wtf.

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

H, I'll tell you what it boils down to, and this is a plain and simple fact, you can take it as an opinion or whatever, but this is what I see.... most of the "drama" that erupts in these threads stems directly from everyone involved being brought up on "technical stuff" from different backgrounds that are alternate to eachother. rooted from these particular backgrounds is the results that you see when two, or three, or more people brought up differently, and their methodology clashes. you get disagreements, arguments, name calling, the list goes on and on. yes, as Dj put it, it all boils down to a lack of respect of persons for eachother, and/or eachothers' methodology. you take one persons' lack of experience in one aspect, and add it to anothers' lack of experience in another aspect of it, and you wind up with a pissin' match instead of them learning from eachother. that's the problem. everybody with good, decent, or even minimal technical experience has turned out to be a self-proclaimed know-it-all who just plain refuses to accept any type of technical knowledge, if it's something they've never heard of, or seen, etc.. or some guy at a shop somewhere that's never seen it or heard of it, hasn't told them.
I'll be the first to admit, I myself am guilty of it also, but I've also gotten a LOT better at paying attention and learning, as well. to be honest H, matt is like a friggin counselor when it comes to diffusing BS, and he's calmed me down quite a few times when I've felt like throwing my damned monitor through the wall...lol

 

[WFO Speedracer]

"bitter" party of one - your table is ready.

I prefer a table in the back please,preferably by the back door.:wiggle:

 

[Big Kahuna]

it's because we're buds, H. we don't dislike each other, we just like to "discuss" things and opinions. we learn things from each other. wtf.

I know that. You and I go at it sometimes. I never take anything personal. I would give you the shirt off my back or help you take that 550 off the dryer if you needed a hand.

 

[Big Kahuna]

H, I'll tell you what it boils down to, and this is a plain and simple fact, you can take it as an opinion or whatever, but this is what I see.... most of the "drama" that erupts in these threads stems directly from everyone involved being brought up on "technical stuff" from different backgrounds that are alternate to eachother. rooted from these particular backgrounds is the results that you see when two, or three, or more people brought up differently, and their methodology clashes. you get disagreements, arguments, name calling, the list goes on and on. yes, as Dj put it, it all boils down to a lack of respect of persons for eachother, and/or eachothers' methodology. you take one persons' lack of experience in one aspect, and add it to anothers' lack of experience in another aspect of it, and you wind up with a pissin' match instead of them learning from eachother. that's the problem. everybody with good, decent, or even minimal technical experience has turned out to be a self-proclaimed know-it-all who just plain refuses to accept any type of technical knowledge, if it's something they've never heard of, or seen, etc.. or some guy at a shop somewhere that's never seen it or heard of it, hasn't told them.
I'll be the first to admit, I myself am guilty of it also, but I've also gotten a LOT better at paying attention and learning, as well. to be honest H, matt is like a friggin counselor when it comes to diffusing BS, and he's calmed me down quite a few times when I've felt like throwing my damned monitor through the wall...lol

Good insite, you are partially correct, but alot of other drama is stems from people "Calling" someone out. Some people take it some dont. It goes back to the lack of respect. I will say it again, said it last week. You do not have to respect someone to be respectfull. One is an opinion or feeling, the other is an "Act".

 

[Dustin Mustangs]

One of the other boards I am a member of has a post 'hell'. It's basically a forum where you send these threads that get outta hand. No need to edit them, they just get moved there so you know what to expect when entering them. Any good info that may be in them is still available to a search but seeing them in hell lets you know what to expect. I also think this Hell forum is invisible to guests (ie when you're not signed in) and posts in it don't show up in the 'new posts' search. This actually seems to work pretty good and that board is way more evil than this one.

 

[SuperJETT]

One of the other boards I am a member of has a post 'hell'. It's basically a forum where you send these threads that get outta hand. No need to edit them, they just get moved there so you know what to expect when entering them. Any good info that may be in them is still available to a search but seeing them in hell lets you know what to expect. I also think this Hell forum is invisible to guests (ie when you're not signed in) and posts in it don't show up in the 'new posts' search. This actually seems to work pretty good and that board is way more evil than this one.

I like this idea, with it being invisible to guests (and maybe go a step further to people that have less than X amount of posts and been registered less than X amount of time maybe, so that way you know people understand what it's about.

 

[Matt_E]

One of the other boards I am a member of has a post 'hell'. It's basically a forum where you send these threads that get outta hand. No need to edit them, they just get moved there so you know what to expect when entering them. Any good info that may be in them is still available to a search but seeing them in hell lets you know what to expect. I also think this Hell forum is invisible to guests (ie when you're not signed in) and posts in it don't show up in the 'new posts' search. This actually seems to work pretty good and that board is way more evil than this one.

Which board? Is it SA?

 

[OCD Solutions]

Actually "HELL" sounds like a great idea. I like the idea of still being able to read through the locked threads and like the idea of being able to read the bad posts as well. There is always the possibility of finding something important in the middle of the BS, once it is deleted that option is gone. I also use such research when deciding which members advice to take.

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

Good insite, you are partially correct, but alot of other drama is stems from people "Calling" someone out. Some people take it some dont. It goes back to the lack of respect. I will say it again, said it last week. You do not have to respect someone to be respectfull. One is an opinion or feeling, the other is an "Act".

please, point out what part is incorrect....