Smurf Fight!!! Final 2008 Cleveland Video

djkorn1

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actually...if any of you have actually TAKEN the boating course...the larger vessel always has the right of way.

i would imagine the SJ would be the smaller vessel of the two, and he clearly just kind of froze and puttered across the couch riders path.

the sit down should NOT have been going that fast, that close to him...but the SJ should have moved his ass as well.

Um, No. Only if it is a Commercial Tanker or Fishing boat.

For Two Powerboats:

Yield the right-of-way to the boat on port side if you are on the starboard side and you must cross paths. To keep clear, alter your course and pass astern, or slow down until the other boat passes.
 
USCG "Rules of the Road" (Water)

actually...if any of you have actually TAKEN the boating course...the larger vessel always has the right of way.

i would imagine the SJ would be the smaller vessel of the two, and he clearly just kind of froze and puttered across the couch riders path. [Your are not correct sir but I will get to you in a minute!]

the sit down should NOT have been going that fast, that close to him [Exactly!] ...but the SJ should have moved his ass as well.

Um, No. Only if it is a Commercial Tanker or Fishing boat. [Correct]

For Two Powerboats:

Yield the right-of-way to the boat on port side if you are on the starboard side and you must cross paths. To keep clear, alter your course and pass astern, or slow down until the other boat passes. [Incorrect Sir! Reread what you wrote I think you just wrote it wrong b/c you are basically saying the couch had the right of way!]

I was going to stay out of this but here are the facts straight from the USCG:

The Facts:
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm

Personal Watercraft:


A new law, effective January 1, 1998, prohibits personal watercraft (PWC) operators from undertaking unsafe or reckless practices, including jumping another vessel’s wake within 100 feet of that vessel, operating at a rate of speed and proximity to another vessel so that the other operator is required to swerve to avoid collision, and “spraying down” any person or vessel in the water.

The joker on the couch was going way to fast and way to close to smurf so he was already breaking the law reguardless of who had the right away!

"Rules of the Road" (Water):

When two power driven vessels are in sight of one another and the possibility of collision exists, one vessel is designated by the rules as the stand-on vessel and the other is designated as the give-way vessel. The stand-on vessel should maintain its course and speed. The give-way vessel must take early and substantial action to avoid collision. If it becomes apparent that the actions taken (or not taken) by the give-way vessel are dangerous or insufficient, the stand-on vessel must act to avoid collision.
Meeting Situations

In the following situations, the give-way vessel must take action to keep well clear. The stand-on vessel should maintain its course and speed. If it becomes apparent that the actions taken (or not taken) by the give-way vessel are dangerous or insufficient, you should take action to avoid collision.

Crossing:

When two power driven vessels are approaching at right angles or nearly so, and risk of collision exists, the vessel on the right is the stand-on vessel and must hold its course and speed. The other vessel, the give-way vessel, shall maneuver to keep clear of the stand-on vessel and shall pass it by its stern. If necessary, slow or stop or reverse until the stand-on vessel is clear.

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In the example above, the red vessel is the give-way vessel and should alter course and speed to pass behind the blue vessel. If the skipper of the blue vessel does not observe the red vessel taking action to avoid collision, then he/she must take the required action to avoid a collision.


Right of Way Examples:

The spacing of the drawings have been made very close to make the examples easier to understand. In actual on the water conditions maneuvers should be made early and at a greater distance than shown on the illustrations. The illustrations are a simplified two-boat example; many cases on the water will have more than one other boat involved so caution is always needed.

rightofway.jpg


2S (Smurf) is the Stand on Vessel, 2G (Coucher) is the Burdened or Give Way. 2S (Smurf) should hold course and 2G (Coucher)should avoid 2S (Smurf).


When Crossing:

Every boat has a "Danger Zone" from straight in front (the bow) to past the middle of its right side. Like when meeting another car at a street intersection, the one on the right has the right of way. You must yield to boats in your Danger Zone. If you are the skipper of the Vessel A in the center of the diagram, you must keep out of the way of any boat that approaches you from any direction within the indicated Danger Zone, as you are the burdened craft. Likewise, boats approaching you from all other directions, except the meeting vessel, must keep clear of you.

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Final Thoughts from The Monkey:

No matter how you look at this the couch was wrong in both the letter and the spirit of the law. He would have been cited for breaking the law long before the matter of right of way would have came up. For arguments sake he (the couch) was clearly the give way vessel and the smurf was the stand on or right of way vessel.

1) The size of a vessel having the right of way only pertains to vessels that are much much larger (and therefore less maneuverable). Rule #1 the less maneuverable vessel always has right of way. In this case The Smurf being the departing vessel and being a stand up that is much less maneuverable at low speeds: Smurf Wins!

2)
Following the rules of the road The Smurf was in the danger zone and was the stand on vessel having the right of way! Smurf Wins again!

p.s. I am have TAKEN the course... and I am a couch rider with the soul of a stand-up guy!
 
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djkorn1

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The problem was the Smurf was riding right along the with the shore. There was nowhere for him to go. There was a beach to the right and a stupid coucher to the left....not to mention the waves.

...and yes, the size of the boat only pertains to large commercial boats that cannot maneuver...not a seadoo sp.
 

INDebtSJ

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After I watched the vid again,I began to wonder.Where is his back up ? Back in the day, we were the musketeers. All for one one for all.
 
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We were there. It was just more than apparent that Brian could have crushed them all by breathing on them or even glancing angrily at them. And anymore I'm not jumping until someones jumped.
 

djkorn1

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After I watched the vid again,I began to wonder.Where is his back up ? Back in the day, we were the musketeers. All for one one for all.

Right behind him with the Video Camera. Rick was right there, and so was I. It just never went down. Here is the aerial view...
 

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I was going to stay out of this but here are the facts straight from the USCG:

The Facts:
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm

Personal Watercraft:


A new law, effective January 1, 1998, prohibits personal watercraft (PWC) operators from undertaking unsafe or reckless practices, including jumping another vessel’s wake within 100 feet of that vessel, operating at a rate of speed and proximity to another vessel so that the other operator is required to swerve to avoid collision, and “spraying down” any person or vessel in the water.

The joker on the couch was going way to fast and way to close to smurf so he was already breaking the law reguardless of who had the right away!

"Rules of the Road" (Water):

When two power driven vessels are in sight of one another and the possibility of collision exists, one vessel is designated by the rules as the stand-on vessel and the other is designated as the give-way vessel. The stand-on vessel should maintain its course and speed. The give-way vessel must take early and substantial action to avoid collision. If it becomes apparent that the actions taken (or not taken) by the give-way vessel are dangerous or insufficient, the stand-on vessel must act to avoid collision.
Meeting Situations

In the following situations, the give-way vessel must take action to keep well clear. The stand-on vessel should maintain its course and speed. If it becomes apparent that the actions taken (or not taken) by the give-way vessel are dangerous or insufficient, you should take action to avoid collision.

Crossing:

When two power driven vessels are approaching at right angles or nearly so, and risk of collision exists, the vessel on the right is the stand-on vessel and must hold its course and speed. The other vessel, the give-way vessel, shall maneuver to keep clear of the stand-on vessel and shall pass it by its stern. If necessary, slow or stop or reverse until the stand-on vessel is clear.

6navrulesc5.gif


In the example above, the red vessel is the give-way vessel and should alter course and speed to pass behind the blue vessel. If the skipper of the blue vessel does not observe the red vessel taking action to avoid collision, then he/she must take the required action to avoid a collision.


Right of Way Examples:

The spacing of the drawings have been made very close to make the examples easier to understand. In actual on the water conditions maneuvers should be made early and at a greater distance than shown on the illustrations. The illustrations are a simplified two-boat example; many cases on the water will have more than one other boat involved so caution is always needed.

rightofway.jpg


2S (Smurf) is the Stand on Vessel, 2G (Coucher) is the Burdened or Give Way. 2S (Smurf) should hold course and 2G (Coucher)should avoid 2S (Smurf).


When Crossing:

Every boat has a "Danger Zone" from straight in front (the bow) to past the middle of its right side. Like when meeting another car at a street intersection, the one on the right has the right of way. You must yield to boats in your Danger Zone. If you are the skipper of the Vessel A in the center of the diagram, you must keep out of the way of any boat that approaches you from any direction within the indicated Danger Zone, as you are the burdened craft. Likewise, boats approaching you from all other directions, except the meeting vessel, must keep clear of you.

crossing.gif



Final Thoughts from The Monkey:

No matter how you look at this the couch was wrong in both the letter and the spirit of the law. He would have been cited for breaking the law long before the matter of right of way would have came up. For arguments sake he (the couch) was clearly the give way vessel and the smurf was the stand on or right of way vessel.

1) The size of a vessel having the right of way only pertains to vessels that are much much larger (and therefore less maneuverable). Rule #1 the less maneuverable vessel always has right of way. In this case The Smurf being the departing vessel and being a stand up that is much less maneuverable at low speeds: Smurf Wins!

2)
Following the rules of the road The Smurf was in the danger zone and was the stand on vessel having the right of way! Smurf Wins again!

p.s. I am have TAKEN the course... and I am a couch rider with the soul of a stand-up guy!

if you want to get technical, both of them are not supposed to be within 500 ft from the shore...so they were both breaking the law, regardless of how fast the couch rider was going, regardless of who had the right of way.
 
The problem was the Smurf was riding right along the with the shore. There was nowhere for him to go. There was a beach to the right and a stupid coucher to the left....not to mention the waves. [ Regardless... Smurf did not have to go anywhere he had the right of way and did not need to change course! That is the whole point of my previous post]

...and yes, the size of the boat only pertains to large commercial boats that cannot maneuver...not a seadoo sp. [I thought we covered this and I agree with you I was just reinforcing your point with facts!]


Right behind him with the Video Camera. Rick was right there, and so was I. It just never went down. Here is the aerial view...[Match the picture with the ones I posted and it is clear that Smurf has the right of way and does NOT have to change course... He is the stand on vessel!]

if you want to get technical, both of them are not supposed to be within 500 ft from the shore...so they were both breaking the law, regardless of how fast the couch rider was going, regardless of who had the right of way.[Sir maybe you should consider rereading your USCG manual... At that location there is nothing prohibiting operation of jet-skis within 500 ft of shore. The only time that applies is in a restricted zone such as a swimming area... There is a restriction of not operating above an idle or creating a wake within 100 yds of shore and swimmers... So once again the coucher was breaking the law by operating above and idle that close to shore... Smurf was barely at an idle and well within the letter of the law...]

Regardless that smurf lost control of his vessel after hitting the wave and veered into the path of couch:highhorse:[Watch the video again sir he did not lose control of his vessel he abandoned ship to avoid injury. He was in full control of his vessel up until the point he had abandoned ship. If however what you said was true and he lost control of his vessel then he would still be in the right of way. USCG states that any vessel not under control always has the right away and all other vessels are to give way and maneuver so as to avoid a collision!]


... "Don't make me come at you like a spidermonkey!"
 
Regardless that smurf lost control of his vessel after hitting the wave and veered into the path of couch

WTF? i never lost control, i bailed cuz a F'in tool was about to crash into my a$$ at high rate of speed. it looks close in the video but it was even closer in person. if i would not have bailed i would have gotten messed up bad. get your eyes checked and rewatch the vid homeboy. that guy had no business going that fast that close to shore. he was an a$$ and if he wasnt some ghetto kid he would have gotten delt with. there was no point in beating someones a$$ when they wouldnt understand why anyways, due to the low quality of life.

sorry just saw this vid today and some comment where really dumb others quite funny. thanks for all the support from those that understand what its like to deal with idiots on sitdowns....... rant over. :Banane37: :argue:
 

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WTF? i never lost control, i bailed cuz a F'in tool was about to crash into my a$$ at high rate of speed. it looks close in the video but it was even closer in person. if i would not have bailed i would have gotten messed up bad. get your eyes checked and rewatch the vid homeboy. that guy had no business going that fast that close to shore. he was an a$$ and if he wasnt some ghetto kid he would have gotten delt with. there was no point in beating someones a$$ when they wouldnt understand why anyways, due to the low quality of life.

sorry just saw this vid today and some comment where really dumb others quite funny. thanks for all the support from those that understand what its like to deal with idiots on sitdowns....... rant over. :Banane37: :argue:


Smurf- I would have did the same thing. It looks like you only choice was to jump off or get hit. Moron sitdown rider are everywhere but that ghetto dweller has trying to show off to his homeboys.
We have "seaside sitdown johhny's" to watch out for. Old guys on big couch's with gold chains & goggles.:Banane36:
Best thing to do is watch your back & yell "fock off my wave"
 
WTF? i never lost control, i bailed cuz a F'in tool was about to crash into my a$$ at high rate of speed. it looks close in the video but it was even closer in person. if i would not have bailed i would have gotten messed up bad. get your eyes checked and rewatch the vid homeboy. that guy had no business going that fast that close to shore. he was an a$$ and if he wasnt some ghetto kid he would have gotten delt with. there was no point in beating someones a$$ when they wouldnt understand why anyways, due to the low quality of life.

sorry just saw this vid today and some comment where really dumb others quite funny. thanks for all the support from those that understand what its like to deal with idiots on sitdowns....... rant over. :Banane37: :argue:

No worries smurf... I got your back that is what I have been trying to say in a polite and educated way...
 

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1st time watching it..nice vid like always from the otherside of lake erie and damn that couch rider it looked like a torpedo trying to hit the stand up
 
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