Not how free markets work. Protectionism does not work. The idea that some how steel is going to be helped by tariffs is a joke. Steel left this country not because of regulations but because of reduced consumption. Developing countries have more demand/use, therefore it is more cost effective to manufacture closer to the point of use. And steel, the more you make the cheaper it becomes. It only makes sense to manufacture where 70% of it will be used, and ship the other 30%. Their surplus production becomes our supply, not the other way around. Bush tried tariffs, didn't work. Mcdog I'd of figured you for a real Republican not a fanboy Republican. Tariffs=Democrat, not free market. I'm going through this misguided bull with Pennsylvania right now with their steel procurement laws. Unfortunately the equipment they need is no longer US made, but because tariffs are the all the rage ,its attempting to be enforced, delaying a much needed infrastructure project, costing tax payers more. Misguided and stupid. China won't pay, we already are.
The Ducky J Trump & mikesx Great Debate Thread..... Head Meet Wall, Wall Meet Head.......
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Oh the whole system sucks no doubt. I'm actually a libertarian, but I can see what Trump is attempting to do here. Hopefully he is successful.
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What do you think of all the tariffs already in place on our products worldwide? Do we just accept it?
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No, I think he will negotiate. I think that you and everyone against Trump will call it caving, but we call it negotiating. I’m for tariffs, to an extent. Products that are produced in the USA and exported face a lot of tariffs. We are starting to stand up and do the same.
The interesting part about negotiating tariffs with China is that eventually they will run out of products from us to add tariffs on, but there are endless amounts of Chinese products to put tariffs on. How are they going to negotiate when they put a tariff on all American goods and we still have new tariffs to keep charging them on?
I am so confident in the President on trade, he will negotiate a good deal for us. China is already trying to negotiate. The media you consume will lead you to believe otherwise.
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Lol @mikesx I just read your reply about free trade. Please tell me your definition of free trade? Is your definition of free trade that the US shouldn’t charge tariffs on products imported because that’s part of free trade, but let’s ignore the fact of all the other countries that charge tariffs on products imported from us? You have to be smarter than that, right?
Duck, no one is lookin for overpriced US steel or aluminium. Tariffs on raw materials hurt OUR manufacturing, not theirs.
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It might hurt in the short term, but the goal is actual fair and balanced free trade. Tariffs will be used for overall negotiation.
I think that a lot our products just suck compared to the competition. The equipment PA wants is no longer made in the US not because of tariffs against it, it just sucked . Cryin tariffs is a crutch.
Tell farmers about short term hurt ,thats all it'll take to put a lot of them under. But we can always do the usual, blame Hillary. All better!
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Tell the farmers about the short term? You understand they have been treated poorly for a long term right? I grew next to a big farming community, I get it, farming is hard. But I guarantee within a short period of time, they will be doing much better. At least that is what I hope. I’ve worked on a farm before, so I’m on their side. The president is also on their side. It may not always look favorable to everyone at a point in time, but the goal is to make it better for everyone. Can you really argue with that?
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lol It is so funny how the viral "crying girl" photo that is being partially used as a new TIME magazine cover was of a girl who was actually never separated from her mother. Dems and Fake News MSM love spreading propaganda lol.
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You obviously dont understand free market. This is the land of opportunity, not the land of if your product is failing we will prop it up at the price of others just so you dont pout about others proffits ....
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A lot of the farming jobs are going to robots. I have a family member that builds robots that replace picking jobs.
I couldn't agree more WB ! Chinese steel is cheaper than US steel not because of tariffs but for the other reasons that I mentioned .That's why trump used it in his buildings. If Chinese steel is cheaper we should take advantage of that, not try to protect a steel industry with tariffs from a bygone era. That ship sailed. I look forward to the next subject, trumps legal problems, Duck ought really shine with that.
Right now my company is working on a job for PENDOT and it is being held up because of protectionist measures meant to protect the PA steel industry. One act that didn't work which winds up exempting basically everything made of steel is superseded with another act that says buy US. Sad part about it on the equipment in question, you can't buy US because the foreign equipment kicked its ass and it is no longer manufactured here. So I guess that means that act will be exempted too. Lot of wasted time for posturing. Who pays for that posturing, the taxpayer does. That's winning? Duck calls it negotiating tactics, I call it caving which is what always happens to protectionist measures anyway, I just hope he does sooner than later because in the long run we will just pay more for the equipment that is still going to come from a foreign supplier anyway.
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What about our national security interest in producing our own steel?
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You still dont get it.
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After reading through this thread, man I love living in Australia, so complicated over there atm
Dog, I don't think next WW is going to look anything like WWII. We have the ability to produce what we need in time of emergency. If u can earn $75 an hour should you give that up to cut your own grass to save $25? No, make the 75 pay 25 you are still ahead 50. Symbolic tariffs, reminds me of Reagans 600 ship navy, by the way, cost a lot $, and was quickly dismantled when everyone figured out ships are no good against tanks. We should of spent the money on 600,000 anti-tank missiles. Wasted $ on symbolism pisses me off. Look what its doing to poor Duck over there, he can't stop posting about crying border babies, and trump shouldn't of caved on that BTW. You don't get to take your kids to prison. Republicans and their symbolism, that's why trump wants to build a worthless wall when in fact that $ would be better spent on equipment better suited for deterrence. The cryin babies, that was to distract trump supporters from Manafort goin to prison. Just like Obama wire-tapped me was to distract from Sessions lyin to congress.