SXR The End

[OCD Solutions]

Here's a good question. How many standups are built each year and how many actually sell? Standup sales may only be 3% of total sales but if they sell out at 100% doesn't that say anything? How many leftover standups did you come across last year or this year for that matter? I heard guys going as far as 3 states to find a new one.

 

[Matt_E]

Dealerships around here quit carrying them because they were left sitting in the showroom for years. So I'm not buying the 100% sellout.

 

[whitca]

Dealerships around here quit carrying them because they were left sitting in the showroom for years. So I'm not buying the 100% sellout.

I was thinking the same thing...Shumate had those 3 new sxr's sitting outside for at least 2 years collecting dust plus another two in crates behind the shop. Guess that attributes a little to why they're out of business now.

 

[OCD Solutions]

I don't know the actual stats, that's why i was asking. I just know that i could never find a new standup in Canada when i was looking. I bought my 2006 SXR new off a friend's father who owned a dealership and could not find a Superjet available in the Yamaha network in all of Canada.

They really scaled back how many units were produced each year as well. Personally i think they killed sales off by not having units available but i guess it's a catch-22.

 

[Matt_E]

They're out of business because they were incompetent dirtbags.

 

[Matt_E]

People weren't buying them. Just look at us, on this board. How many of us have bought brand-new stock skis in the past few years?

 

[Jetaddict]

I'd have to agree. I bought my SXR used. I think there is a larger used market, since the average standup rider doesn't want to sink a lot of money into an initial investment only to have to upgrade it as soon as they ride it once. I think I am just worried about the price and availability of 2 stroke parts...are we gonna be fu**ed in a few years when no one is producing them (parts) or working on them anymore?

 

[tightithrash]

whats a SXR?

 

[OCD Solutions]

I have owned 7 standups, only one was purchased brand new and i lost my shirt on the whole deal.

The best 2 were skis i bought as bare hulls and built to my exact wants from the ground up. I would do it that way again in a heartbeat.

I guess that says alot right there doesn't it? :biggrin:

 

[oxnard111]

Only ski I bought brand new was an SXR before I even really knew what a superjet was... Owned it for 3.5 years then traded it straight over for a 97 limited superjet. Ya I lost some money on it, but I had a lot of fun on it. Wish I still had it because my wife always says that was her favorite.

 

[ATS_Aaron]

People weren't buying them. Just look at us, on this board. How many of us have bought brand-new stock skis in the past few years?

Yes, and no. What advantage did a "new" Superjet offer over a used one? Previous to 2008, why wouldn't I buy a clean used 1996 RN over a brand new 2007. In fact that is what I did. I bought a 1999 and saved myself $4000.00 over new and gave up how many features? NONE. It's the manufacturer's own fault in my opinion.

Two ways to look at it, either a) Yamaha made it too perfect in 1996 and didn't have room to grow or b) Yamaha quit investing in it in ~1999 save for graphics changes.

The 2008 hull was a big deal, but without a nice bump in horsepower who really cared?

Yamaha was like - oh you like the Superjet for freestyle and general low speed handling....OK, GREAT here's a new hull that offers zero advantages to you.

Seriously, how much would it have cost Yamaha to put a 760 in their ski? Zero dollars. How much to buy 100 B-pipes from Factory pipe to add to that 760 and make a 100 hp "stock" Superjet? $500 per ski? Or less if you subtract the new cost of the stock exhaust parts. The B-Pipe has already been proven reliable enough to be a factory stock part (Polaris Octane). While making the new 2008 top deck, why not add features people want like Rickter style footholds that could be removed and replaced with block-offs to keep the ski race legal.

I don't know SX-R's at all, but Kawasaki KNOWS how to sell out of Ultra 250's each year...just add 10 more hp. Supposedly they are introducing yet another "new" ski at World Finals..oh let me guess - the Ultra 270.....

Nice play Kawasaki - the SX-R has been dead since the year after it came out.

The fact is that The SX-R (and presumably the Superjet soon) are dead because we don't need them. Heck, half of us don't even want them.

Know what Yamaha could sell - hull fulfillment kits: brackets, straps, bolts, bed plates, driveshafts, midshafts, waterbox, pumps, etc. all in one box for one (reasonable) price.

My ski has like 9 Yamaha parts left on it and half of them are available in the aftermarket: the outer pump housing (insides are Magnum), the wear ring, driveshaft, midshaft, start/stop switch, bed plates, cases, tank straps and brackets.

Sadly, the only place this effects me for years to come is when idiots at the boat ramp ask "Do they still make those?"

Aaron

 

[Matt_E]

I didn't place blame consumers or manufacturers.
I pointed out the end result: hardly any new skis being sold.

 

[Scorn800]

All of the guys I ride with have bought atleast 1 new sxr. Most have bought 2 since 03. I bought a 03 and 06 new. Hell, I know this dude that bought 7. He was buying them for $5500 and beating the chit out of them and selling them off for $3500 every 2 years. This other dude a I know wants to buy a 2011 just to keep in the crate. Really sucks to see the SXR go. It helped bring back stand up racing.

 

[WILKEY]

whats a SXR?

thats funny

 

[-XXX-]

From another article from the same guy:
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As of January 1, 2012, federal environmental rules will ban the type of two-stroke engine that powers both the 800 SX-R and the Yamaha SuperJet. Both companies have been able to keep these “dirty” two-strokes on the market (except in California and New York) because they could average the emissions with those of their much-cleaner four-stroke models. That deal should have ended this year, but the EPA gave Yamaha and Kawasaki an extension for the stand-ups so each manufacturer would have time to develop an alternative engine.

That’s not going to happen. In 2008, I reported that combined sales of stand-up PWC were just 1,898 units, or about 3 percent of total sales. For 2010, stand-up sales will add up to less than 500 units. There’s simply not enough volume in this segment to warrant an investment in a new engine, let alone an all-new boat.

Stay Focused!
Here Is The Real Reason For The End!

 

[-XXX-]

It's All About The EPA.

Do You really Think It's Going To End There With Kawasaki And Yamaha Standups?

 

[crossr]

Yes, and no. What advantage did a "new" Superjet offer over a used one? Previous to 2008, why wouldn't I buy a clean used 1996 RN over a brand new 2007. In fact that is what I did. I bought a 1999 and saved myself $4000.00 over new and gave up how many features? NONE. It's the manufacturer's own fault in my opinion.

Two ways to look at it, either a) Yamaha made it too perfect in 1996 and didn't have room to grow or b) Yamaha quit investing in it in ~1999 save for graphics changes.

The 2008 hull was a big deal, but without a nice bump in horsepower who really cared?

Yamaha was like - oh you like the Superjet for freestyle and general low speed handling....OK, GREAT here's a new hull that offers zero advantages to you.

Seriously, how much would it have cost Yamaha to put a 760 in their ski? Zero dollars. How much to buy 100 B-pipes from Factory pipe to add to that 760 and make a 100 hp "stock" Superjet? $500 per ski? Or less if you subtract the new cost of the stock exhaust parts. The B-Pipe has already been proven reliable enough to be a factory stock part (Polaris Octane). While making the new 2008 top deck, why not add features people want like Rickter style footholds that could be removed and replaced with block-offs to keep the ski race legal.

I don't know SX-R's at all, but Kawasaki KNOWS how to sell out of Ultra 250's each year...just add 10 more hp. Supposedly they are introducing yet another "new" ski at World Finals..oh let me guess - the Ultra 270.....

Nice play Kawasaki - the SX-R has been dead since the year after it came out.

The fact is that The SX-R (and presumably the Superjet soon) are dead because we don't need them. Heck, half of us don't even want them.

Know what Yamaha could sell - hull fulfillment kits: brackets, straps, bolts, bed plates, driveshafts, midshafts, waterbox, pumps, etc. all in one box for one (reasonable) price.

My ski has like 9 Yamaha parts left on it and half of them are available in the aftermarket: the outer pump housing (insides are Magnum), the wear ring, driveshaft, midshaft, start/stop switch, bed plates, cases, tank straps and brackets.

Sadly, the only place this effects me for years to come is when idiots at the boat ramp ask "Do they still make those?"

Aaron

Good points

 

[crossr]

As of January 1, 2012, federal environmental rules will ban the type of two-stroke engine that powers both the 800 SX-R and the Yamaha SuperJet. Both companies have been able to keep these “dirty” two-strokes on the market (except in California and New York) because they could average the emissions with those of their much-cleaner four-stroke models. That deal should have ended this year, but the EPA gave Yamaha and Kawasaki an extension for the stand-ups so each manufacturer would have time to develop an alternative engine.

That’s not going to happen. In 2008, I reported that combined sales of stand-up PWC were just 1,898 units, or about 3 percent of total sales. For 2010, stand-up sales will add up to less than 500 units. There’s simply not enough volume in this segment to warrant an investment in a new engine, let alone an all-new boat.

Stay Focused!
Here Is The Real Reason For The End!

If your sales figures are correct and that is the true reason for the factory stand-up demise, then it is the fault of the factory for not giving the consumer what they want. The aftermarket has stepped in and filled the need but for how much longer? I'm 45 years old and if I stay healthy expect to ride the way I do for another 5 -10 years so I think I'm covered, but what about the young guys?

 

[djkorn1]

If there is a market for a turnkey new standup....someone will make it. All the parts are already out there.

 

[Liquid Graffix]

I'm sure parts will still be available.

Look at it this way: You can still buy every single part for a '57 Chevy and that car is now 54 years old!