SXR The End

[Tyler Zane]

all we need is cold fusion to make some billet cranks and cases :biggrin: my next hull wasn't gonna be oem anyways... i can see every other part being produced by a aftermarket company within a year or two. if they keep the quality control up, it could be a major turning point in our sport for the positive.

of course, this is all my positive thinking thou. you can bash on it if ya want but you will not bring me down.

 

[Tyler Zane]

fck the epa. put me in cuffs to get me to stop riding

it wouldn't be the first time i got put in cuffs for something i enjoyed..

nothing is gonna last forever. so why not have fun till the end of the earth... or we can save it right on the brink of everything being governed down and make our children live in it...

 

[Don 79 TA]

Here's what kills me...

Obama, Pelosi, EPA and Left wing bastards, even Nixon. Hope you don't cross my path. I'll have a few words for you hypercritical, tyrannical Bastards!

Ahhhhh... the 'ole Elkhart Indiania speech of promising change from 'Bama
hmmm
guess he was right

i'll change it so you can't ski
i'll change it so you can't get a job
i'll change it so i tax you more so you have less $$ to spend
and i'll change GM to government motors to bail out a dieing worthless company

change indeed

lol

 

[crossr]

If there is a market for a turnkey new standup....someone will make it. All the parts are already out there.

But at what cost? Most guys won't buy a $25K ski

 

[crossr]

all you s are smokin crack if ya think the jet skiin world will end

When I titled the thread "the end", I was just refering to the end of the Kawasaki stand-up. Something I have been riding since 88. To me it is truly sad, but it's not the end of the stand-up world thankfully. It is just going to make it harder to grow the sport.

 

[WILKEY]

i kno i kno just talkin . its what i do best hahahah

 

[-XXX-]

Gradualism

Gradualism is the belief that changes occur, or ought to occur, slowly in the form of gradual steps (see also incrementalism)

In politics, the concept of gradualism is used to describe the belief that change ought to be modified in small, discrete increments rather than abrupt changes such as revolutions or uprisings.

 

[FlightPlanDan]

Gradualism

Gradualism is the belief that changes occur, or ought to occur, slowly in the form of gradual steps (see also incrementalism)

In politics, the concept of gradualism is used to describe the belief that change ought to be modified in small, discrete increments rather than abrupt changes such as revolutions or uprisings.

Yep. That's what's been happening for decades....in politics.


But, although the major manufacturers may find it unprofitable to persue, our very salvation may be in that we are such a small market.

Meaning: builders such as ....well .....are not likely to be regulated because of the relatively small impact they/we have on the environment.

We might end up with ALL AM hulls and motors....

look out build thread section!

 

[Melmack]

3-wheelers, gone and replaced by 4-wheelers, aka, sitdowns, because they are more stable and easier to ride.

Ditto SJ! That's what I'm seeing here. Many, many 3 wheel riders probably felt just like us. There where far more of them than us. For them, at least the 4 wheeler is similar. For us, the couch is no option at all.

When I titled the thread "the end", I was just refering to the end of the Kawasaki stand-up. Something I have been riding since 88. To me it is truly sad, but it's not the end of the stand-up world thankfully. It is just going to make it harder to grow the sport.

Your right. Thanks to the forums for bringing us together and all the companies who are pushing the aftermarket industry, stand-ups have regained notoriety. But, as you wrote, this is going to make it much harder for the sport to grow; and If your not growing, your dying. I'm not trying to be pessimistic, just realistic and proactive. We need to voice our opinions to the manufacturerers and legislaturers about this. We need to do it collectively. This is an opportunity to make a difference and save our sport for generations. But to do that, we need to understand what is really happening here. If we deny the fact that this could kill the sport, we'll soon find ourselves scrounging for parts. We'll look to find fellow riders and find they have moved on to other things. Meanwhile, the younger guys will never know what it's like. They will get into other sports and our numbers will dwindle slowly over time.

We need someone, some organization, a petition or something to send a message to Washington, the States, and the manufacturers. They seem to think that there's only a handful of us out here. They need to know the truth. They need to see us for who we are, what we do, and why we love it so much. The need to see how stand up riders are riders for life. We don't just do this for a season and hang it up. We will ride till were 60 if possible, then watch our grand kids ride while we reminisce of all the great free rides and races. They need to know this. That's our only chance to change this situation and save the greatest powersport ever. We're not going anywhere so nither should our sport. We have to do something and the time is now.

 

[Melmack]

BTW, thanks to the guys at the X. Without you, I'd be dwindling away on a dirt bike.

That reminds me. I have to update and renew my subscription to the X. If you haven't, you should. It's an easy and inexpensive way we can all help preserve the sport.

 

[FlightPlanDan]

How many times must people be smacked in the head before they realize that "Washington" does not give 2 sh*ts about you or me?

It's no longer about protection of the rights of the individual.

 

[-XXX-]

Yep. That's what's been happening for decades....in politics.




But, although the major manufacturers may find it unprofitable to persue, our very salvation may be in that we are such a small market.


Meaning: builders such as ....well .....are not likely to be regulated because of the relatively small impact they/we have on the environment.

We might end up with ALL AM hulls and motors....

look out build thread section!

Yes, for decades in politics... But realistically, that's who is making the changes.

But manufacturers will continue to sell to other countries that don't have these restrictions.

All in all, we lose.

 

[-XXX-]

How many times must people be smacked in the head before they realize that "Washington" does not give 2 sh*ts about you or me?

It's no longer about protection of the rights of the individual.

It's time we elect people in Washington who do care about US

 

[Melmack]

Your right Dan. And no matter who we elect, Washington screws em up. W was a great governor here in TX. He was a pretty good president the first term too. But Washington got to him in the end. He went right along with those lefties for the last two years and look at us now. It's no longer about elections. We need a revolution. We need union workers to dump the unions, we need AARP members to dump their memberships all together and we need the younger generation to stand on principle and not just for what's cool at the moment. Our freedom is at stake as much as our right to ride 2 stroke watercraft. We still need to make a stand as a group of riders. For our sake if nothing else. And we need to get the word out to regular folks everywhere. If Washington can take this harmless right from us, what else will they take from others? This is just another example of the feds taking over and destroying a big part of our lives for the vote of a few uninformed extreme environmentalists who actually believe that the few thousand skis out there are actually going to raise the oceans and warm the earth. It's ridiculous, and it has to stop!

 

[djkorn1]

I hate to say it, but this is because nobody is buying SXRs.....If they were selling 6 or 7 thousand of these a year, they would still be making them.

I don't think yammering on about Washington is going to do us any good. The point is, people don't want standups. We live in a country full of fat lazy people......Its just Capitalism.

I truly believe that somebody will make a $9000 'kit' boat that will KILL a $7000 SXR.

 

[Fro Diesel]

This is the end. . .
My only friend. . .

-Superjet

Seriously, where there is demand.....there is supply. Do you think they (federales) stopped us with prohibition in the 20s? Hell NO! And the booze got better!



Just don't enforce surf zones everywhere please. Cops poaching standup riders. Now that's cause for concern.

 

[extreemthrottle]

i was talking with a good friend (hes the owner and gm of a yamaha dealership) the other day about the end of the sj and sxr. his reply which make sense to me is that they will still produce and sell the skis but they will be sold under the the guidlines of "for competition use only".

 

[Melmack]

I hate to say it, but this is because nobody is buying SXRs.....If they were selling 6 or 7 thousand of these a year, they would still be making them.

I don't think yammering on about Washington is going to do us any good. The point is, people don't want standups. We live in a country full of fat lazy people......Its just Capitalism.

I truly believe that somebody will make a $9000 'kit' boat that will KILL a $7000 SXR.

Ummm, the EPA is Washington and they are the ones who outlawed the SXR and SJ. Period. They have to stop by law no mater how many they want to sell. Most dealers sell out all the SXRs they get before they get them. The EPA only lets them produce 200 or so every year. Now they can't sell any at all. It has nothing to do with sales numbers.

i was talking with a good friend (hes the owner and gm of a yamaha dealership) the other day about the end of the sj and sxr. his reply which make sense to me is that they will still produce and sell the skis but they will be sold under the the guidlines of "for competition use only".

That's what I heard too. You have to be a AWA or IJSBA member to buy a new SJ. Don't know if they will still be legal and registrable on open water just yet.

 

[SXIPro]

Ummm, the EPA is Washington and they are the ones who outlawed the SXR and SJ. Period. They have to stop by law no mater how many they want to sell. Most dealers sell out all the SXRs they get before they get them. The EPA only lets them produce 200 or so every year. Now they can't sell any at all. It has nothing to do with sales numbers.



That's what I heard too. You have to be a AWA or IJSBA member to buy a new SJ. Don't know if they will still be legal and registrable on open water just yet.

Of course it has something to do with sales numbers. If the sales numbers were there, Kawi and Yami would just throw a 4 stroke in their stand ups.


As far as your second point, THERE is the answer. We all should be AWA members anyhow, so keep your membership active. The old existing boats will be grandfathered in to be allowed to ride open water. Want a new boat? Buy a 'competition only' ski , yank the tags off and put tags on from an older boat. Most water cops and folks at the Registry are totally clueless to standups, and that works to our benefit.

 

[Melmack]

Everyone keeps going back to the sales thing. You all are forgetting that they sell almost every 2 stroke ski out every spring. They are only allowed by law to sell and produce 200 or so. If they where allowed to sell more, I guarantee they would make more. Before the EPA rules, they where producing 500 or more each per year. After the rules, the X-2, 650sx, the FX-1, 550sx, Blaster and all other forms of small 2 stroke where canned within a year or so and they made only enough stand ups to meet Homoligation. Kawi brought back the X-2 overseas because there was no EPA over there. Yamaha produced the 800 blaster overseas as well. I guess this is a chicken/egg argument but I have been in this industry as a rider, tech and salesman for more than 18 years now. Stand ups and small craft died purely because of the EPA. Manufacturers put r&d into four strokes because they had to. The EPA demanded it in the late '90s. That's when all the great skis died. From that point on, you cannot compare sales numbers because the numbers are clearly scewed by what they where allowed to produce. The profit margin is much higher on a two stroke as long as the EPA doesn't limit your production numbers to 200 per year. Once your limited, it makes little since to keep producing the 2 stroke. This is a perfect example of big powerful government taking our rights away from us. At the current rate of production, there are less that 4 skis sold per state from each manufacturer. There is no way that can possibly impact the environment but of course, the EPA is not about the environment, it's about power. Power we grant them by voting in corrupt politicians year after year. Take away the EPA back in the 90's and stand ups, blasters, and x-2 would still reign king. There was never any shortage of interest in skis until all the global warming environmental crap came to the front in the mid to late '90s. They are to blame, period. Ignore this and your just being ignorant. Once you know the cause of the problem, you can fix it. Until we understand what we are up against and do something to stop it, we can forget about riding stand ups in the distant future. Anyways, do you really think they will stop at this point. The next step is to tell us that we can't use 2 strokes at all. If we don't speak up now, it is coming. Mark my words.