Just to clarify to you guys @x2stroker @zzylstra @sinisterjosh209 my comment was literally a joke. Its very obvious there is so much footwork that went into this system that some people don't understand, nor put a value on "time spent".
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My comment wasn't only for you! Sorry if it was a misunderstanding
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There is gonna be people that hate it and people that love it. We do not have to do this, we want to do this. Bringing another choice of ignition to the market was Denes's dream, we are going to make that happen. I refuse to take offense to criticism because as the years go on, I've watched some companies fail, and watched many strive. If this is California Freestyle's next step to making a footprint in the freestyle PWC market, then I will be behind it 100% of the way. I owe it to him.
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im staying out of this as much as I can. But I just need to correct you on one thing. It was not an idea I had. It was in fact something I had already done. I had been down the route of running the msd 4217 as you were running and knew it would not work correctly and that's when I went to the zeeltronic and was running them and for more than a few hours. How about a little credit where it's due buddy
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Christian_83
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lol the difference in attitudes is clear. Some being genuine and humble, and some being the opposite. I know who i would support.
waxhead
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Please be careful. I have done more with ignitions than you realise. I was just setting you straight again as I had to when you were running the 4217. I'm quite happy to tear your playhouse down with facts if you continue to be a dick
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Good system. I am running a charging system with 760 electronics. Works awesome.
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Well, Yall are doing a good job of killing a product before it has a chance.
DAG
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and you wonder why all the smart technical guys no longer post on this site. Thanks for sticking around wax, your one of the last few that are still active here. There are more people that appreciate your wisdom than you probably realize.
Christian_83
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Who is killing a good product? Some are just letting people know that they can have a good product at a very reasonable price. I thought that was what all we jetski guys and girls wanted. Nice products that rant priced 3-4 times as high as other product in bike or automotive industry - just because its tabled "jetski". Well i might be wrong.
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referring to all the BS comments........ Turned me off.
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It’s ok, Komedy got em last night, but the pic wasn’t up for long
waxhead
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Would have been funny to see. Got a copy of the picture ?
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A great analogy for this ignition thing would be hulls. Mr. Malone made made the first one. Does that mean we all owe something? Same thing here, an idea by someone else , was perfected and taken to a different level. The argument of who thought or did it first is irrelevant as we are bringing a actual bad a$$ kit to the market . @waxhead if you do actually know the function and accuracy of this particular unit then you would agree it’s the best unit out, hands down. For arguments sake, I welcome any friendly competition, please someone put a kit together with the performance and reliability of this one. I like competition, makes me try harder. Ps. 550s and charging don’t count. No offense to vintage or charging guys, the performance of total loss is incomparable
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waxhead
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Sure no problem. I will write it an explanation when I get home
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Ok well im at home now and its much easier to type on my lap top.
To answer you're analogy
No one said to eric malone that he had no idea about hulls and he should stick to electric bikes and then meanwhile went and used the very same hull after eric told him where to buy them.
Sinisterjosh i don't know who you are and have no beef with you, x2stroker well this is the guy who I was explaining to him that he should not use the msd 4217 as he was about to and go to the zeeltronic, he was telling me to stick to electric bikes etc and basically saying i had no idea. I don't care what he thinks its water of a ducks back. When he then goes and uses the ignition i was suggesting to him and saying how great he is and what an awesome designer etc then its kinda erks me.
Then he goes on to say " Wax had an idea using those units, I made them work so you don't have to go through trial and error."
http://www.x-h2o.com/index.php?threads/diy-total-loss-on-a-budget.166929/
I didn't design the ignition of course not zeeltronic did and its an awesome thing which is why I recommended it in the first place and tried to steer him away from the msd to my own peril
This is me using the ignition on a triple ski.
http://www.greenhulk.net/forums/showthread.php?t=212410 ( that's the build thread on the engine if you can be bothered reading it)
As far as to x2stroker saying i know nothing about ignitions i offer up to you my old website where i actually marketed ignitions myself
https://web.archive.org/web/20080828230158/http://www.waxracing.com/
Unfortunately like the factory fire, advent, vilder, epic, and other brands it was hard to make them reliable on the superjet and i bought them all back at a huge cost to myself.
So if you're thinking i have no idea about ignitions then consider that corrected
http://www.pwctoday.com/showthread.php?t=175088
if you look here on pwctoday you can see me running a 760 front cover on a 8mm lamey with a supercharger on it. The supercharger was just a joke and I was playing around However I was running a programmable sxr ignition in and modified it to work with 760 front cover.
Its not hard to find on the web where i have talked about it at length
http://www.x-h2o.com/index.php?threads/epic-curve-thread.90229/page-2
please dont tell me I came up with 'an idea" like i never did anything about my idea.
I just never marketed and here it is explained why i never did below.
Why i didn't market a total loss system based on the zeeltronic that's easy, Why would I
The system is already out there using a modern style pickup in the 760 front cover. The flywheel with out the magnets and machined down is a light as an alloy and it doesn't break the hub on the taper like a lot of alloy flywheels do and they can be picked up very cheap on eBay. However i think that is about to change
I also could not see the sense in changing to an older style pickup when you already have a modern pickup in the 760
Please find me a modern two stroke engine where they use a hall effect sensor to trigger the ignition and not a lump on the flywheel, Anything with in the last 20 years will be fine. They just don't do it. If of course there was not already a system out there that didnt use the modern pickup i can see why you may make one but i still for the life of me cant see why you would not convert to a modern pickup at the same time.
I know the 760 is a single channel ignition and only uses one coil to fire both plugs. It makes no difference the spark energy of a zeeltronic is that massive you don't need multiple coils.
Im sorry that it came to this but I will not stand by if i am called out and not answer to it.
To answer you're analogy
No one said to eric malone that he had no idea about hulls and he should stick to electric bikes and then meanwhile went and used the very same hull after eric told him where to buy them.
Sinisterjosh i don't know who you are and have no beef with you, x2stroker well this is the guy who I was explaining to him that he should not use the msd 4217 as he was about to and go to the zeeltronic, he was telling me to stick to electric bikes etc and basically saying i had no idea. I don't care what he thinks its water of a ducks back. When he then goes and uses the ignition i was suggesting to him and saying how great he is and what an awesome designer etc then its kinda erks me.
Then he goes on to say " Wax had an idea using those units, I made them work so you don't have to go through trial and error."
http://www.x-h2o.com/index.php?threads/diy-total-loss-on-a-budget.166929/
I didn't design the ignition of course not zeeltronic did and its an awesome thing which is why I recommended it in the first place and tried to steer him away from the msd to my own peril
This is me using the ignition on a triple ski.
As far as to x2stroker saying i know nothing about ignitions i offer up to you my old website where i actually marketed ignitions myself
https://web.archive.org/web/20080828230158/http://www.waxracing.com/
Unfortunately like the factory fire, advent, vilder, epic, and other brands it was hard to make them reliable on the superjet and i bought them all back at a huge cost to myself.
So if you're thinking i have no idea about ignitions then consider that corrected
http://www.pwctoday.com/showthread.php?t=175088
if you look here on pwctoday you can see me running a 760 front cover on a 8mm lamey with a supercharger on it. The supercharger was just a joke and I was playing around However I was running a programmable sxr ignition in and modified it to work with 760 front cover.
Its not hard to find on the web where i have talked about it at length
http://www.x-h2o.com/index.php?threads/epic-curve-thread.90229/page-2
please dont tell me I came up with 'an idea" like i never did anything about my idea.
I just never marketed and here it is explained why i never did below.
Why i didn't market a total loss system based on the zeeltronic that's easy, Why would I
The system is already out there using a modern style pickup in the 760 front cover. The flywheel with out the magnets and machined down is a light as an alloy and it doesn't break the hub on the taper like a lot of alloy flywheels do and they can be picked up very cheap on eBay. However i think that is about to change
I also could not see the sense in changing to an older style pickup when you already have a modern pickup in the 760
Please find me a modern two stroke engine where they use a hall effect sensor to trigger the ignition and not a lump on the flywheel, Anything with in the last 20 years will be fine. They just don't do it. If of course there was not already a system out there that didnt use the modern pickup i can see why you may make one but i still for the life of me cant see why you would not convert to a modern pickup at the same time.
I know the 760 is a single channel ignition and only uses one coil to fire both plugs. It makes no difference the spark energy of a zeeltronic is that massive you don't need multiple coils.
Im sorry that it came to this but I will not stand by if i am called out and not answer to it.
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I have to ask. Correct me if I’m wrong but when you refer to 760 pickup and claim it’s “modern”, does a Hall effect sensor not work exactly the same: using a voltage wavelength being interrupted by a passing magnet? Now also please if I’m wrong correct me. But I have personally never opened a 760 pulse coil before so I’m going off pure speculation. Isn’t it just a series of fine wire windings around a magnet? Now I have personally spent hundreds of dollars on Hall effect sensors, inspecting, testing, tossing in the garbage, etc. I hade the pleasure of dissecting one of these outdated dinosaur items at one point and was quite surprised. No magnet, no windings, no Yamaha part number, no magical ferry dust. I infact found a very small circuit board. Interesting I know. Now what intrigued me was these usually ranged in price from $10-$20 each. Cheap right? I know but that’s not the kicker. How about 20,000+ available in a warehouse all the time. Cool. Wait even better. Made by Honeywell, butter. Now wax you seem like a very smart man and I applaud you for what you have done with a zeeltronic brain. But if you infact think that Hall effect sensors are outdated? That’s not what you should be worried about. Last time I check outdated was a winding around a magnet potted in some plastic.
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