The Penguin's beach house

Conquistador

B-Saw
Site Supporter
I'm glad to hear you're safe.

We didn't lose our house, but had to move out of it for 4 months when Hurricane Isabel hit here in 2003. Had a 90 ft tall, 200 year old oak tree land on the house. The trunk was about 8 ft in diameter. Luckily for us, it's an old farm house & we have 4x4 studs every 18 inches. took the hit like a champ, but a ton of water came in & did some damage.
 
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QuickMick

Guest
We can rebuild it.. I have a bucket of hammers. Really. I even gave Shawn one.
 
Shawn,
We have been friends for almost 20 years now and I have many memories of great times in that house with you, your mom, friends and so many great weekends. Know that you and your mom are in my prayers and thoughts with this. I know you and there will be a Casa de Penguin again one way or another. Anything you need, let me know. i will be there to help in anyway...and no this does not excuse you from being in my wedding!!!!!!!
 
Penguin, Wow, I don't really know what to say... I was just talking to you on the phone the other day when you were moving your stuff out of that place... I'm speechless... That sucks so bad... Hopefully insurance and legal stuff will sort itself out and then we rebuild. I can bring down a framing crew of atleast 3-4 from the Cleveland Crew... just say the word...
 

tom21

havin fun
Location
clearwater FL
Holy C R A P! I had no idea. I been away from the news, just figured eh its only a cat 3. wow, I don't think I have seen that kind of stuff here from a cat 3. losts of mobile homes gone and a few houses, looks like a tsunami rolled thru. glad everyone is ok. even the pup.
 

The Penguin

triple secret probation
the problem is due to the size of the storm, it still had a lot of energy at landfall - so the storm surge was equivalent to at least a Cat 3, maybe a 4.

at least, that's what was reported.
 

Odd Duck

Jet Vet
Location
DFW, TX
Shawn,
I don't even know what to say except I'm really glad to hear that all are OK. Really sorry to hear about the house, but I know you'll figure out something. We're ready to help, just let us know when and where. You know my hubby can build/fix almost anything and I'm really good at supervising and can cook up a storm!

You need any help with the fence, just let us know.

Take care of you and yours, my friend.
 

ger87410

How did I get here?
Location
Fort Worth
Looks like we may be in limbo for a year:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/09/19/ike.beach.houses.ap/index.html

Texas law keeps rebuilding after Ike in limbo

* Story Highlights
* It could be a year before Texas tells homeowners what they may or may not do
* If beachfront homeowners lose their property, state compensation is no guarantee
* Law was enacted when there were far fewer houses on the Texas coast

GALVESTON, Texas (AP) -- Hundreds of people whose beachfront homes were wrecked by Hurricane Ike may be barred from rebuilding under a little-noticed Texas law. And even those whose houses were spared could end up seeing them condemned by the state.
Rebuilding after Ike is not a sure thing for some Texas property owners.

Rebuilding after Ike is not a sure thing for some Texas property owners.

Now here's the saltwater in the wound: It could be a year before the state tells these homeowners what they may or may not do.

Worse, if these homeowners do lose their beachfront property, they may get nothing in compensation from the state.

The reason: A 1959 law known as the Texas Open Beaches Act. Under the law, the strip of beach between the average high-tide line and the average low-tide line is considered public property, and it is illegal to build anything there.

Over the years, the state has repeatedly invoked the law to seize houses in cases where a storm eroded a beach so badly that a home was suddenly sitting on public property. The aftermath of Ike could see the biggest such use of the law in Texas history.

"I don't like it one bit," said Phillip Curtis, 58, a Dallas contractor who owns two homes -- a $350,000 vacation home and a $200,000 rental -- on Galveston Island's Jamaica Beach. "I think the state should allow us to try to save the houses. I don't appreciate the state telling people, `Now it belongs to us.' It breaks your heart."

The former state senator who wrote the law had little sympathy.

"We're talking about damn fools that have built houses on the edge of the sea for as long as man could remember and against every advice anyone has given," A.R. "Babe" Schwartz said.
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Ike's 110 mph winds, storm surge of 12 feet and waves that measured as high as 26 feet obliterated the 4- to 6-foot dunes and redrew the tide lines along a broad stretch of the Texas Gulf Coast.

Texas General Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson, a Republican whose office is responsible for policing the beaches, said he saw hundreds of houses in jeopardy of being declared on the beach unlawfully as he flew over the coastline this week.

"And those are the ones still standing," he said. Other homes, he said, were reduced to pilings sticking up out of the sand or water.

Patterson said no decision on whether homeowners can continue living there would be made for at least a year, while authorities watch the ever-shifting boundaries of the beach.

"You want to have at least a complete all four seasons and find out what Mother Nature is actually going to do until she finishes what she's going to do," Patterson said.

That could put homeowners in a bind. Many may be afraid to spend money on home repairs if there is a chance the state is just going to condemn the property.

Those whose homes were destroyed can collect insurance. But it is unclear whether those whose undamaged homes are condemned under the Texas law will get any compensation, from the state or anyone else. Land Office spokesman Jim Suydam said the agency used to offer people up to $50,000 to move, but he didn't know if that fund still exists.

Rebuilding the eaten-away beaches does not appear to be an option. Schwartz said that the Gulf of Mexico does not deposit sand on Galveston Island and other nearby beaches, and that trucking in huge amounts of sand would not work, because storms would just wash it away within a year or two.

The law was enacted when there were far fewer houses on the Texas coast. In fact, there are lot more houses on the coast now than there were in 1983, during Hurricane Alicia, the last time the law was invoked against large numbers of homeowners. Many of the beach homes on Galveston and other nearby beaches are second homes, many of them rather modest.

Schwartz said the area's homeowners should not be surprised.

"Every one of them was warned of that in their earnest money contract, in the deed they received, in the title policy they bought," he said. "And whether you like it or not, neither the Constitution of the United States nor the state of Texas nor any law permits you to have a structure on state-owned property that's subject to the flow of the tide."

California and Oregon have similar laws.

State Rep. Craig Eiland, a Galveston Democrat, said he is not aware of any move in the Legislature to change the Open Beaches Act. And the track record for those who choose to fight the state in court is grim.

"No one has ever succesfully ever beaten the state when the state comes after you under the Open Beaches Act," said Charles Irvine, a Houston coastal law attorney. "But everyone still tries to think up innovative arguments."

Susan Holman, 60, of Dallas, owns a house with her brother on Pirate's Beach on Galveston Island. Her parents built it 25 years ago as a vacation home. The home is still intact, but the water's edge is now close, meaning the house might be seized.

"Until we know more, I'm not going to worry about something that hasn't happened," she said. But she added: "If that did happen, it would break our hearts."
 

madscientist

chilling with these guys.
Location
good old p'cola
thats really interesting. the state of florida relys so much on our beaches that they spend millions to replace the eroded sand and build sand burms to try to protect the homes and rentals.
 

ger87410

How did I get here?
Location
Fort Worth
I was thinking and talking about this.

I'm not sure Penguin's house is part of that. I think that's only about the tides. If the water still doesn't even come close to his house or property, he should be perfectly OK. :shrug:

I wonder if the water comes to his property.......
 

The Penguin

triple secret probation
I am above the high tide line. Not by much - but enough that by current standards/regulations - I can rebuild.

The Land Commisioner here is attempting to get the building setback moved to something like 360' behind the sand dunes - which would not allow me (and scores of others) to rebuild.

As soon as I am able (meaning, as soon as the Galveston County Engineering office is open) - I will be submitting for a building permit.
 

timbo512

Your Momma's Lover
Location
Tejas
I missed the ABC show. Between work and no power, I missed. If someone has a YouTube or DVR'd it let me know. Searched ABC.. and came up empty for a Penguin interview...lol.

I talked to Shawn right after they left the island. I have some great memories with the LSFR crew. But we'll make it happen again.
 

ger87410

How did I get here?
Location
Fort Worth
I missed the ABC show. Between work and no power, I missed. If someone has a YouTube or DVR'd it let me know. Searched ABC.. and came up empty for a Penguin interview...lol.

I talked to Shawn right after they left the island. I have some great memories with the LSFR crew. But we'll make it happen again.

I've been searching all over for the 'Penguin for President' interview as well as the 'Mick to the rescue' interview.

I've come up empty on both searches.
 

yamanube

This Is The Way
Staff member
Location
Mandalor
I am above the high tide line. Not by much - but enough that by current standards/regulations - I can rebuild.

The Land Commisioner here is attempting to get the building setback moved to something like 360' behind the sand dunes - which would not allow me (and scores of others) to rebuild.

As soon as I am able (meaning, as soon as the Galveston County Engineering office is open) - I will be submitting for a building permit.
I remember when we where down there earlier this year there was a local riding by us who was just finishing up building a very nice house right on the beach, bummer.
 
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