snowxr
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Art said two weeks ago he is not going to make the billet now. He said he's afraid people will copy it. SO, he's making a cast manifold. We'll see.......
Tnt free ride v2
- Thread starter tntsuperjet
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snowxr
V watch your daughters V
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- Waterford, MI
Cast price really shouldn't be better. A cast manifold has a huge up front cost in pattern development, and fixtures are needed to hold each part in multiple orientations for post machining. It isn't cheap. Factor in rework and scrap rates and it gets expensive and labor intense.
Billet requires converting a CAD file to work on the CNC mill, which only takes minutes now. Then machining time at roughly $50 per hr. That's it.
Now consider how few you might sell, and billet really is the smart choice.
Billet requires converting a CAD file to work on the CNC mill, which only takes minutes now. Then machining time at roughly $50 per hr. That's it.
Now consider how few you might sell, and billet really is the smart choice.
Big Kahuna
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Its funny how you are telling us what Tim is or is not gonna do.............
snowxr
V watch your daughters V
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- Waterford, MI
Only Tim knows what Tim is doing. At least I think that's how it works?
Art on the other hand made a statement about his manifold, which was referenced in this thread making the conveyance of said statement relevant IMO.
Maybe you misread between the lines?
Art on the other hand made a statement about his manifold, which was referenced in this thread making the conveyance of said statement relevant IMO.
Maybe you misread between the lines?
- Location
- Minnesota
The rear exhaust runner on the OEM 64X exhaust manifold is way too small for any high performance application.
tntsuperjet
Tntperformance-engineering.com
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- Georgetown ca
There it is completed v2 lay down and new Tnt free ride
The water box is considerably bigger then other brands and not nearly as loud.
A couple of mufflers I texted had no back pressure at low pulse waves and inconsistent pressures at mid to high rpm.
This design holds 3psi from 3500rom to 7800rpm.
This will allow you to actually tune the stinger and see changes.
It's 22 CI larger then other square type and 0ver 35ci bigger on pressure side of the baffle. This allows better throttle response when the exhaust is water loaded.
Jetting is much more consistent and helps eliminate the need for constant blipping of the throttle to keep the motor cleaned out.
The water box is considerably bigger then other brands and not nearly as loud.
A couple of mufflers I texted had no back pressure at low pulse waves and inconsistent pressures at mid to high rpm.
This design holds 3psi from 3500rom to 7800rpm.
This will allow you to actually tune the stinger and see changes.
It's 22 CI larger then other square type and 0ver 35ci bigger on pressure side of the baffle. This allows better throttle response when the exhaust is water loaded.
Jetting is much more consistent and helps eliminate the need for constant blipping of the throttle to keep the motor cleaned out.
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- amarillo ,tx
tntsuperjet
Tntperformance-engineering.com
- Location
- Georgetown ca
All testing is complete with the v2 free ride exhaust system.The power is much more comsistant and pull harder off bottom and mid then the power factor setup that was currently on this DASA 1000.
To answer questions.
If your currently running a small water box or no water box you will see big difference in constancy of power. Jetting will be less sensative to back pressure changes to to water loading of exhaust track. Aka tail stand, deep landings anytime the boat is deep In The water the jetting won't go pig rich and require multiple clean out attempts.
It also works real well with power factor pipe.
You don't need a big motor to see benefits of the TNT water box, any of the lay down pipe configurations will se big improvement.
B pipe and stock water box you won't notice much if anything
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- Charlotte NC
how does the box work with the rrp pipe? How does the chamber compare to the rrp chamber, power wise?
tntsuperjet
Tntperformance-engineering.com
- Location
- Georgetown ca
on DASA 1000 it had better mid range and the jetting was considerably more consistent with PFP PIPE and TNT water box.
If you get TNT pipe 230 deg it will match the top end power of the PFP pipe but then you end up with similar low end power.
If you want bottom and top you can use water inj and its big gain.
The low end of the TNT and the RRP are very close. But the RRP Pipe signs off at about 6,000 rpm and the TNT pulls much harder from 5k to 7k rpm.
If you get TNT pipe 230 deg it will match the top end power of the PFP pipe but then you end up with similar low end power.
If you want bottom and top you can use water inj and its big gain.
The low end of the TNT and the RRP are very close. But the RRP Pipe signs off at about 6,000 rpm and the TNT pulls much harder from 5k to 7k rpm.
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tntsuperjet
Tntperformance-engineering.com
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- Georgetown ca
Sorry I missed some questions.
I don't get through all the posts.
To answer question about other applications.
If your running any of the lay down pipes with small water box or no water box you will def notice an improvement in consistency no matter what your setup.
Just don't expect big gains in any one area
But why good is a gain of it doesn't perform the same every time you hit the throttle.
For me if no matter what trick I'm doing if I can't depend on same response from the engine every time I hit the gas I won't do any of the technical tricks because not sure of outcome.
My goal, to make as much power as I can but but be as consistent as possible. At least that way you gain confidence in your setup and can fine tune your technique to fit your performance.
I don't get through all the posts.
To answer question about other applications.
If your running any of the lay down pipes with small water box or no water box you will def notice an improvement in consistency no matter what your setup.
Just don't expect big gains in any one area
But why good is a gain of it doesn't perform the same every time you hit the throttle.
For me if no matter what trick I'm doing if I can't depend on same response from the engine every time I hit the gas I won't do any of the technical tricks because not sure of outcome.
My goal, to make as much power as I can but but be as consistent as possible. At least that way you gain confidence in your setup and can fine tune your technique to fit your performance.
tntsuperjet
Tntperformance-engineering.com
- Location
- Georgetown ca
Over the weekend we did a lot testing with free ride pipe on boats that had PFP and RRP pipes.
On a rickter with DASA 1000 with stock ignition and 155mm pump stock 46 carbs.
Boat is a surf setup in heavy hull with long ride plate.
Rider was not able to complete a full back flip on flat water and would Land 1 out of 20 off setup wake.
With just changing pipe from RRP to v2 he was able to do back to back flips.
He was very skeptical that the pipe would make any difference but thought he would try it as its was an easy swap.
On a rickter with DASA 1000 with stock ignition and 155mm pump stock 46 carbs.
Boat is a surf setup in heavy hull with long ride plate.
Rider was not able to complete a full back flip on flat water and would Land 1 out of 20 off setup wake.
With just changing pipe from RRP to v2 he was able to do back to back flips.
He was very skeptical that the pipe would make any difference but thought he would try it as its was an easy swap.
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tntsuperjet
Tntperformance-engineering.com
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- Georgetown ca
TNT has signed the Lawler Brother and Coung Son.
They all will be running Dasa 1000 setup with TNT V2 Freeride exhaust system, tuned by TNT.
They all will be running Dasa 1000 setup with TNT V2 Freeride exhaust system, tuned by TNT.
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masterblaster
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pretty impressive with the flip test on a pipe swap alone? does this wb fit with rrp pipe and lim slip tank? the extra size and baffle has got to better this wb,any further testing done with rrp pipe and the tnt box
tntsuperjet
Tntperformance-engineering.com
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- Georgetown ca
I only did testing on coupe boats with several different setups.
PFP dasa 1000
RRP ON DASA 1000.
Two different setups not same engine.
Also let few people test box in there setups and so far everyone agrees no power loss, half the noise and much more consistent performance.
Box is 5-1/4 wide , 7-3/4 long and 10" tall.
Like all of our products. If you don't like the performance send it back. As long as it's not modified or damaged we refund your money.
We don't want customers that don't feel our product is the best for there setup.
We are that confident our products are the best on the market we can offer that.
36 pipes and 21 water boxes sold in last 45 days and only one customer hasn't sent back a instantly satisfied result. But he still has setup issues he is working out so he not sure of the performance status yet.
It is possible to need s slightly different setup to maximize our exhaust system performance.
PFP dasa 1000
RRP ON DASA 1000.
Two different setups not same engine.
Also let few people test box in there setups and so far everyone agrees no power loss, half the noise and much more consistent performance.
Box is 5-1/4 wide , 7-3/4 long and 10" tall.
Like all of our products. If you don't like the performance send it back. As long as it's not modified or damaged we refund your money.
We don't want customers that don't feel our product is the best for there setup.
We are that confident our products are the best on the market we can offer that.
36 pipes and 21 water boxes sold in last 45 days and only one customer hasn't sent back a instantly satisfied result. But he still has setup issues he is working out so he not sure of the performance status yet.
It is possible to need s slightly different setup to maximize our exhaust system performance.
tntsuperjet
Tntperformance-engineering.com
- Location
- Georgetown ca
Cast manifold doesn't work as well.Cast should work just as well and be significantly less expensive.
But the 1.3hp is hard to justify at 1200 to make.
tntsuperjet
Tntperformance-engineering.com
- Location
- Georgetown ca
Here one of our customers boats. With new v2 pipe