Vforce 3 lifespan?

Roseand

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This is what my reeds looked like after 5 gallons of oil. 3 rows are perfect, but bottom is quite chewed up. It's not expense to fix since its only one row, but a little frustrating when they show damage before a seasons over. Ski ripped but I thought it idled a little rough and maybe this is why.. 20181109_191014.jpg20181109_191008.jpg
 

Big Kahuna

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I have been running the exact same set of Carbon Tech reeds which were used when I got them in 2004 today. No de-lamination, fraying or anything. I ran a set of VForce 1's back in 2004. They lasted 6 months. There are better options.
 

Roseand

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Reeds are a wear item and they wear out quicker when you're putting water through your engine.



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I understand they're a wear item, but this ski never sees sustained WOT and has minimal water injestion and not that many hours. I've had carbon techs when I ran a 701 and after many more hours and much more water injestion than this and there wasn't much wear.
IMO 5 gallons of oil isn't a crazy amount to go through in a season and having significant reed wear before the seasons over is crappy. I don't wanna have to pull the motor every season to swap reeds lol
I must just have an engine configuration that eats vf3s.
 
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Big Kahuna

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I understand they're a wear item, but this ski never sees sustained WOT and has minimal water injestion and not that many hours. I've had carbon techs when I ran a 701 and after many more hours and much more water injestion than this and there wasn't much wear.
IMO 5 gallons of oil isn't a crazy amount to go through in a season and having significant reed wear before the seasons over is crappy. I don't wanna have to pull the motor every season to swap reeds lol
I must just have an engine configuration that eats vf3s.
Why would you pull motor to change out reeds?
 
Both reed cages have the same wear pattern and same orientation (all the
wear on the top or bottom).

I would guess, those are the "thin" reeds? Not the medium or thick reeds.


Bill M.
 

Jr.

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That it typical of what we call Flutter. Its caused by turbulance coming off the crank. A common solution is to install reed spacers. Some manifolds like the Boysene and others, have the reeds spaced back from within the manifold, so a spacer is not needed. What manifold are they bolted to?? You also stated that your cases were epoxy filled?Im guessing you mean the fingers are filled?? What this does, is reduce volume, but increase air speed thru the reeds.
Typically done in high rpm motors. Unfill maintains volume, aids in low end performance. Reguardless what option you prefer, the reed pedals take the brunt of the added flutter. Carbon reeds wear faster in high flutter, than say Boysene pro reeds which are all glass. Bottom line, there is no right or wrong to this. It Is how you or your builder chooses to have the power delvered. Its how the recipe of parts compliment each other!

Ski Ya, Paul
 

Roseand

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That it typical of what we call Flutter. Its caused by turbulance coming off the crank. A common solution is to install reed spacers. Some manifolds like the Boysene and others, have the reeds spaced back from within the manifold, so a spacer is not needed. What manifold are they bolted to?? You also stated that your cases were epoxy filled?Im guessing you mean the fingers are filled?? What this does, is reduce volume, but increase air speed thru the reeds.
Typically done in high rpm motors. Unfill maintains volume, aids in low end performance. Reguardless what option you prefer, the reed pedals take the brunt of the added flutter. Carbon reeds wear faster in high flutter, than say Boysene pro reeds which are all glass. Bottom line, there is no right or wrong to this. It Is how you or your builder chooses to have the power delvered. Its how the recipe of parts compliment each other!

Ski Ya, Paul
The fingers are not filled on this setup. Reeds are bolted up to a stock Oem 760 intake mani
 

Jr.

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The fingers are not filled on this setup. Reeds are bolted up to a stock Oem 760 intake mani

If you have the cyl off and bottom end assmbled. Look at tip to crank clearance. Your reed tips are probably very close to the crank.
Try a spacer? Angled one if you can find it? You will also slightly gain low rpm performance.
I would also change out those pedals, they are spent.

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That it typical of what we call Flutter. Its caused by turbulence coming off the crank.

Ski Ya, Paul

Is this a common problem with Yamaha's? I don't recall seeing that happen
to a Kawasaki before. Is that something you have seen on MX bikes, I have
seen an engine builder regularly cut the cylinders to move the reeds forward.

Bill M.
 
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