WDK RIP - Hybrid Hull vs. Full Carbon Hull

fischer550

fischer550

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Milton, Florida
I am proud to say that I have ordered a new WDK RIP hybrid glass/carbon hull. Jeff at WDK said the approximate weight is 75 pounds. I know he offers a full carbon version that is supposed to be 20lbs lighter for not much more money.

Even though I have already ordered the glass version and am stoked about it, just curious if anyone has ridden both of these hulls and can comment on the difference. Is it very noticeable? I am swapping my FX1 701 with a head, pipe, and enhancer on it. With enough practice will it be a reasonable goal to flatwater flip it with a setup wake?
 
zzylstra

zzylstra

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Valley Springs, CA
Not much of a riding difference between the two. Carbon would be overkill in your situation. not to mention if you decide to sell it used, much of our market is in the glass hybrid price range so you are much better off. I do recommend installing Jeff's modified intake grate for the RIP, it needs it
 
fischer550

fischer550

Location
Milton, Florida
zzylstra said:
Not much of a riding difference between the two. Carbon would be overkill in your situation. not to mention if you decide to sell it used, much of our market is in the glass hybrid price range so you are much better off. I do recommend installing Jeff's modified intake grate for the RIP, it needs it
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Thanks for your input! So you have actually rode both hulls? Why do you think carbon would be overkill?
 
zzylstra

zzylstra

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I have ridden and flipped a glass RIP with your common 701 setup, it was easy. Too easy. I can guarantee you, the hybrid hull will do exactly what the carbon hull will do with the same powertrain. I went carbon because it was epoxy infused, and I wanted an "all-out" build. If you got the dough by all means go with the top notch parts

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fischer550

fischer550

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Milton, Florida
zzylstra said:
I have ridden and flipped a glass RIP with your common 701 setup, it was easy. Too easy. I can guarantee you, the hybrid hull will do exactly what the carbon hull will do with the same powertrain. I went carbon because it was epoxy infused, and I wanted an "all-out" build. If you got the dough by all means go with the top notch parts
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Thanks for the info. That is very reassuring
 
RMBC Freeride

RMBC Freeride

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Not trying to burst your bubble, but just so everyone else that's saying it's "so easy" to flip knows ...
The OP is at high elevation in COLORADO, and giving up 14%~20% of the horsepower to altitude. So if a RIP flips easy with a basic 701 at sea-level, will it flip at 4000-5000 feet? My experience says NO.
Not saying it can't be done, but if you look at @Roseand 's videos... hes closer to sea-level and a f**cking die-hard trying to get a flip... and it hasn't come easy. It takes a LOT of practice and technique... and at our elevation, a good bit more engine. Honestly my 950 in a carbon Circus runs like a well tuned 800~850 does at sea-level. Yes I can flip it but it took a lot of practice!
Good luck, hope to meet up with you at Boyd this summer. And WOW is a RIP gonna be night and day different from an FX1!!!!!

Oh and the Blowsion steering cable is nice and strong, but will be way too long for that hull. I had to zig-zag it all over inside my circus to take up the extra length.
-Neil
 
fischer550

fischer550

Location
Milton, Florida
RMBC Freeride said:
The OP is at high elevation in COLORADO, and giving up 14%~20% of the horsepower to altitude. So if a RIP flips easy with a basic 701 at sea-level, will it flip at 4000-5000 feet? My experience says NO.
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Yes I have taken that into consideration, and will be stepping up the motor when the money is there for it. Doesn't proper dome size make up for most of that power loss?
 
Ducky

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Comp Pole might be OK, but going by the picture above, I think itll be too long unless that comp pole is adjusted out and can go back in.
 
RMBC Freeride

RMBC Freeride

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fischer550 said:
Yes I have taken that into consideration, and will be stepping up the motor when the money is there for it. Doesn't proper dome size make up for most of that power loss?
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Dome size does help bridge the gap, but you can never create more oxygen* (air density) or increase the water's boiling point (impeller/pump tuning).
*Unless you can figure out a turbo!!!

Again, I wasn't trying to sound like a dick, I'm glad to see more riders and more A/M skis in Colorado. I just hate when people claim that something will be easy to flip. Maybe it does come easy to some guys that are just natural talents... I've been riding a very very long time and it took a couple seasons of practice to really get it nailed with a totally capable ski. And of course our season is short so that doesn't help either!

Stick with the Hybrid - it sounds like it will do as well as the full carbon for the most part and save the money for more HP! Jetmaniac/Blue mills work well here, I have rode a couple and they were impressive for the cc size.
 
fischer550

fischer550

Location
Milton, Florida
RMBC Freeride said:
Again, I wasn't trying to sound like a dick, I'm glad to see more riders and more A/M skis in Colorado. I just hate when people claim that something will be easy to flip. Maybe it does come easy to some guys that are just natural talents... I've been riding a very very long time and it took a couple seasons of practice to really get it nailed with a totally capable ski. And of course our season is short so that doesn't help either!

Stick with the Hybrid - it sounds like it will do as well as the full carbon for the most part and save the money for more HP! Jetmaniac/Blue mills work well here, I have rode a couple and they were impressive for the cc size.
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I know I will have to work very hard and practice at it. I know it will not be easy, but just want to know if it is possible. I am looking into the 781cc from jetmniac, I'm gonna see how my plain jane 701 does in it and go from there.

Willl be at Boyd alot this summer, hope to see you there!
 
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