We weighed seven skis last week

[superramjet]

Luke and I weighed our skis yesterday before riding

my eme1000 was 280lbs rtr, no gas
luke's 1200 envy was 360lbs

luke can flatwater backflip his, I'm not even close

 

[ATS_Aaron]

Three hundred and sixty pounds!?! I'd ask if he had a 12 gallon tank, but from memory I'd guess it's a 1-2 gallon cart tank. Where is all the weight from?

280 on the EME is NICE, especially with a heavy RR pole.

Aaron

 

[D-Roc]

i rode my first "lightweight" waterdawg ski yesterday, i know why there are so many used ones for sale. for a yami based hull it rides nothing like a superjet and it weighs too much. Looks good, jumps bad.

 

[tom21]

Luke and I weighed our skis yesterday before riding

my eme1000 was 280lbs rtr, no gas
luke's 1200 envy was 360lbs

luke can flatwater backflip his, I'm not even close

like I thought, rider skill always trumps ski weight. some of the heaviest boats are the ones going the biggest. maybe its because they get abused more and take on water? who cares? its not the ski its the rider.

 

[FlightPlanDan]

like I thought, rider skill always trumps ski weight. some of the heaviest boats are the ones going the biggest. maybe its because they get abused more and take on water? who cares? its not the ski its the rider.

Just a few months ago I got rid of a good bit of water (while installing your footholds, love 'em btw) It's back. I just put in some blaster drains & let it drip when on the trailer. Too much work to refoam just to be wet again on the first ride.

And.....OUCH on the rider comment....You mean none of us can "buy" our way into a bf? or Br? lol...

 

[waterfreak]

like I thought, rider skill always trumps ski weight. some of the heaviest boats are the ones going the biggest. maybe its because they get abused more and take on water? who cares? its not the ski its the rider.

Well said Tom!:woot: Everybody is so caugh up with weight that they forget that skills is what their missing...not a lighter ski!

Once you get the skills down, then a lighter boat will benefit you.

 

[MADMAT]

But if a good rider has a lighter ski watch out. just shaving 30-50 lbs can add 25% to air time without even trying.

 

[Waternut]

Well I'm going to step in mention that although skills are important, let's not forget that we are talking about someone with a 1200cc engine. I'd be willing to bet that the WDK 1200 engine in a ski that weighs 400lbs will be closer to backflipping than a b-piped 701 with custom hull that weighs 250lbs given the same rider.

No one seems to want to admit it but there's a point where equipment is required to get to that next level of skill...or really big waves which all of us flatwater riders don't have. Otherwise you plop back down in the water before you even get close to a barrel roll or backflip. Therefore, you can never fine tune your skill because you can't get far enough along in your progress to actually experience a completed trick.

 

[superramjet]

like I thought, rider skill always trumps ski weight. some of the heaviest boats are the ones going the biggest. maybe its because they get abused more and take on water? who cares? its not the ski its the rider.

Not exactly, I'll be able to adapt to my ski soon and riding with guys that can do it, will sure speed up the learning curve. My goal is to have a flatwater bf done before it gets too cold to ride here. I'm not limited by my ski anymore. Luke could not do them on any of his other skis or powerplants because of the ski. He can do them now not because his ski is heavy but because his big budget motor is pushing some serious hp.

but yes skills are important, but boat is really important

 

[superramjet]

Three hundred and sixty pounds!?! I'd ask if he had a 12 gallon tank, but from memory I'd guess it's a 1-2 gallon cart tank. Where is all the weight from?

280 on the EME is NICE, especially with a heavy RR pole.

Aaron

2 gallon cart tank, we think his ski is getting wet. The 1200 motor has alot of weight to it, but when you see his latest video, you'll see the motor has no trouble moving it out of water. I'd love to see his hp in a lighter setup.

also a 1000cc q8 is around 255-265 range. We know because the q8 hull steve bought was 20lbs lighter than the signature series hull.

 

[D-Roc]

all the skills in the world ain't going to get a weak ski to roll or flip. the best riders in the world have the best equipment. not just skis but in anything. to be the best you gotta have the best, to be the fastest you gotta have the fastest.

 

[steve-uk]

i rode my first "lightweight" waterdawg ski yesterday, i know why there are so many used ones for sale. for a yami based hull it rides nothing like a superjet and it weighs too much. Looks good, jumps bad.

when we swapped over the insides from my superjet to the hull, i have to say i didnt really notice a weight difference.

its all about riding style, its different, with the REV hull you have to set up the jump then you can get more height, was my first time out in any type of "surf" yesterday and i found that because the REV hull has a tendancy for the back end to "pop" up when you land it made it very difficult in the surf.

For the jumps tho you really have to pull back on the bars, ive found you either end up jumping flat (late) or its the other way where the ski pretty much lands on top of you.

they are not really "lightweight" the weight difference between stock and the REV is marginal.. ill agree though it doesnt jump as well as my superjet did, however for stabs it rotates alot better, but it needs a totaly different riding style.

i think you can make a "stock" supejet hull lighter than some of the aftermarket hulls for sure.

only probably my second week on the REV hull and ive ridden it most nights, still getting used to it. personal opinion is that its more of a flat water machine.. but def different riding style so im not sure after a 10 min ride a true impression can be made...

 

[D-Roc]

steve your ski runs flawlessly no doubt. every mod you have done works very well. the hull is nice but we both can admit that it isn't like the yamaha hull that we are both used too. It does some stuff without and effort and that big pump pushes the ski up and on plane perfectly. i just could not get it to pop of the waves. i think if you cut the ride plate flush it would help. when you get used to it that will help too, it is not my ski so i don't have to get used to it and i just get to continue on my setup. that is why i wouldn't trade my superjet for a waterdawg. it didn't feel "better" than mine. and that is all opinion of course, anyone can argue that. I have seen people with lots of skill try and ride my ski and could not do it, i have also seen people with no skill, 1st time out on a standup ride and turn my ski really well.

 

[steve-uk]

i do agree with you.. and i cant ride your ski for toffee...

the REV is a totaly different ride, ive heard it described as between a fx-1 and an sxr and i have to agree, its a little twitchy on the back end, but pretty stable on landings.

ive noticed in doing stabs it gives better rotation, which is probably down to the width of the ski being wider.

i just moved the pole length down before the ride yesterday so its running at around minus 3-3.5", when it was longer it was hard to even stay on the ski, so it def needs setting up more.

off of boat wake i can get more height than i could on my superjet, but you really have to think about where to hit the wake and when to pull on the bars.

however off smaller wakes/waves i cant get much height thats when it just jumps flat, almost like you need some flat water to get loaded up rather than chop

 

[WFO Speedracer]

I am going to interject a comment here that most are not going to like,I am getting about 3/4 the way around on a backflip with 650SX flat deck,thats a bone stock 650 with a pipe mod and a cutback SXR prop,the height I am getting out of that ski is incredible, Gil and a few others have seen me jumping it,Gils first comment was why are you not rolling it? With the right boat wake a backflip would be totally doable by me on that ski.Next step is more beans under the hood,then look out,it won't take $2000.00 worth of mods to get there either.

 

[D-Roc]

if you had better equip, learned to ride it, your skills would go up, and you would be doing it already. it is so simple.

 

[WFO Speedracer]

if you had better equip, learned to ride it, your skills would go up, and you would be doing it already. it is so simple.

No its not that simple at all,I have ridden some really fast skis Crammit442's boat,Gils boat and several others,the skill level has to keep pace with the machines capabilities,you can't just throw a rider on a ski with a monster engine,lightweight hull and think his skills will improve that fast,if you are not comfortable with the machine you can't do jack with it regardless of the weight,brand or power output.

 

[D-Roc]

exactly, but when you put a rider on the superbadass ski, he learns to ride it, learns to rip it, becomes comftable on it......guess what? his skills went up. everything still take practice, there is nothing anyone can tell anyone to do with regards to a trick, then he suddenly knows how to do it, he still has to practice and apply the advice to his own style. malone has all the skillz in the world and he doesn't ride a mostly stock 650 flatdeck. wonder why? his skill are beyond that. how? from riding the superbaddass skis that we all try to build copy and refine.

 

[steve-uk]

if you watch "the additcion" pretty sure there is a comment in there about micheal ratti doing backflips/barrel roles on a stock superjet without foot holds and being bare foot

 

[D-Roc]

flatwater? off a boat wake yeah yeah this is always brought up. i know a guy that can do it on a stock ski. well post it up, lets see this amazing barrel roll with a stock ski. i am thinking it is a head dragging lame roll. if stock is so good why do we all modify? why isn't ratti still rolling and BF his stock ski. STOCK SUCKS. the barrel rolls get bigger with more power. how many people learned a flatwater roll on a stock ski. a good flatwater roll. i bet most people modded until they could do it and then maybe if they got on their buddy's weak ski they could flop it half ass around and then quickly get back on their much better more modded ski because it makes them a better rider.