We weighed seven skis last week

[junkyardj]

hey uk since the "alpha" poster has spoken and your hull is a POS can i have? ps i know some guys with ski's over there head that arnt getting any better.. the little power increases are what helps you get over the hump.. if i was to go from a yz80 to a 450 how much better would i get? it takes tray time imo

 

[D-Roc]

you get much tray time i take it? steve's ski isn't a pos, but if a yami guy buys a yami based waterdawg hull he will find out it doesn't handle like his superjet did. steve will get used to his hull, it will make him a better rider, yesterday he got more air on his ski then i ever seen him catch. you could always show up and show us what you got, or are you the guy with the fancy ski doing subs? i am just saying a better ski makes a better rider, and yes it takes tray time to do it but slow weak skis will not do what a superbadass ski can no matter the skill. ratti, malone, stoyer, bogart, etc all run the big skis and they probably didn't step on it for the first time and were where they are today on it. the better ski gets controlled because they become better riders from it. it makes sence to me.

 

[WFO Speedracer]

you get much tray time i take it? steve's ski isn't a pos, but if a yami guy buys a yami based waterdawg hull he will find out it doesn't handle like his superjet did. steve will get used to his hull, it will make him a better rider, yesterday he got more air on his ski then i ever seen him catch. you could always show up and show us what you got, or are you the guy with the fancy ski doing subs? i am just saying a better ski makes a better rider, and yes it takes tray time to do it but slow weak skis will not do what a superbadass ski can no matter the skill. ratti, malone, stoyer, bogart, etc all run the big skis and they probably didn't step on it for the first time and where where they are today on it. the better ski gets controlled because they become better riders from it. it makes sence to me.

Why do you keep throwing those names out there Stoyer,Bogart,Ratti.Malone? Are you at that skill level because I know I am not,I don't think you are getting what I am saying at all,I am 46 as of today and getting 3/4 of the way around on a basically stock ski.I don't ride nearly as much or as hard as I used to mainly because I have a bad back,severe neck pain,two bad knees and carpal tunnel in both wrists,its not all about the ski or the rider its the combination thereof. :smashfreakB:

 

[D-Roc]

sorry for name dropping, i just know those names as some of the best out there. Dude if your that old gettting that much around think aobut what will happen when you put 2000.00 buck of good working mods into your ski that work for you. what will happen to your skill level?

there are few that are at those guys level. i am not, i am an average rider, i do all my own work, i know that i am not quite riding my ski to its full potential. i also know that if i had a stock ski for the past three years i would not be as good as i am today. i mod, i ride, i learn and practice, i really don't see an agruement here guys. am i that far outta wack here? maybe i should say it like this. a good ski will make a good rider if they want to be. you only get out what you put into it.

 

[junkyardj]

fancy ski i think not! im riding peoples hand me downs but i dont think if i jumped on one of those name bomb's ski's it would make much difference.. i think the idea behind steve's ski is weight distribution rather then just weight loss.. i dont think its the best hull on the market but the price was right and he plan's on doing some work to get it light again(wet foam) i dont think you can flat out condemn the guy's new ski after riding it for tem minutes, after all the thing was put together in one night and hasnt had much tuning

 

[D-Roc]

jc where does it say i condemn his ski, if you show up to a ride you would know me and know what i am talking about, me and steve had this very discussion yesterday. his ski runs mint, what tuning? i rode it long enough to get a good feel for it. i didn't master it. who could. you really don't think that if you had one of these new badassskis and rode it that you would get better? come on? even if you could tailstand a 1000cc ski that would make you better than the guy who can only tailstand a 550.

 

[steve-uk]

lol.... this is hilarious.... wheres the popcorn....

every ski rides different, even super jets depending on how they are set up, b-pipe or dry pipe, total loss or not, length of pole etc etc

ive jumped on other peoples skis and stuggle to jump them let alot nose stab

ive ridden superjets both square nose and round nose for a good few years now, the differnece between square and round is huge, the REV hull is a different ride for sure, not hugely, its not like comparing a superjet with a sxr.

im pretty sure the WCF, XFT style superjet "copies" ride closer in style to a superjet

also we all set up our skis to ride how we want them to ride...

 

[D-Roc]

yup, to clarify a little more people, i have seen alot of people buy the yami based waterdawg hull and alot of used ones forsale. i often wondered why. I rode one yesterday and now i know. it does not handle like a superjet. i can jump on any superjet and they all feel alittle different but certain characteristics are the same and this is not so with the waterdawg hull. This is neither good or bad thing. just probably why alot of them get re-sold. steve you may love this hull in a year or you may get one a buddy's superjet and say holy crap i have't been able to do this trick since i got my new hull. time will tell. As far as looks, well it is waaaay nicer than my ski. its got some power too.

 

[Matt_E]

I am going to interject a comment here that most are not going to like,I am getting about 3/4 the way around on a backfli

Out of curiosity, by "3/4 the way around on a backflip", you mean you are nosing in your flatwater backflips at 90 degrees, right?

 

[D-Roc]

yes that is what he said, on flatwater with a mostly stock 650. pure skills for an old man, oh wait he did mention he may need a $20 000 boat wake to maybe get it around the rest of the way, and some more beans.

 

[Big Kahuna]

I am gonna call B.S. I have seen Terry Ride. Gil has a better shot.


As for the comments about Rider vs Ski. There is an invisible wall that no matter how good you are there are certain tricks that just cannot be done without the right equipment. I competed in 07 with a bone stock motor and carbs that were tuned for my ported motor. It ran like crap and I still rolled it. It is not power that gets you around, it is execution and momentum.

Malone, Stoyer, Bogart, Head, Havell, Parr, Ratti, Lenzi, Stone, Burgess, Gil, Brad/Josh Lustic are all riders that they can and will take under powered ski's and make them do things that we would like to do with our built ski's.

 

[Big Kahuna]

Guys, forgive me, I added Gil's name to that list, I was thinking about what he thinks he can do, sorry for the brain fart!

 

[WFO Speedracer]

I am gonna call B.S. I have seen Terry Ride. Gil has a better shot.


As for the comments about Rider vs Ski. There is an invisible wall that no matter how good you are there are certain tricks that just cannot be done without the right equipment. I competed in 07 with a bone stock motor and carbs that were tuned for my ported motor. It ran like crap and I still rolled it. It is not power that gets you around, it is execution and momentum.

Malone, Stoyer, Bogart, Head, Havell, Parr, Ratti, Lenzi, Stone, Burgess, Gil, Brad/Josh Lustic are all riders that they can and will take under powered ski's and make them do things that we would like to do with our built ski's.

You are right BK,you have seen me ride once,either on an X2 that wasn't dialed in yet,or on the flat deck that was nowhere near completed ,and with an arm that was wrapped up with an ace bandage up to the elbow.I have a whole year of riding time under my belt on the flat deck now,Gil will probably have a better chance at rolling than me theres no doubt there,I think I have a better chance at a backflip,I guess I need to go have my boat weighed so I can throw a number out there too. :crazy:

 

[Scorn800]

I am gonna call B.S. I have seen Terry Ride. Gil has a better shot.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Gil is the MAN! He will roll sometime before 2020:Banane19:

 

[WFO Speedracer]

Out of curiosity, by "3/4 the way around on a backflip", you mean you are nosing in your flatwater backflips at 90 degrees, right?

No Matt thats not what it means,its cool,you guys can joke on my boat if you like,(even though most of you have never ridden it and know nothing about it)you can joke on my skills if you like,I ride to have fun,if I make it around one time I will be happy,I will say at least BK has actually seen me ride ,can't say as I have never seen BK ride though,do you even still have a running boat BK?

 

[Big Kahuna]

No Matt thats not what it means,its cool,you guys can joke on my boat if you like,(even though most of you have never ridden it and know nothing about it)you can joke on my skills if you like,I ride to have fun,if I make it around one time I will be happy,I will say at least BK has actually seen me ride ,can't say as I have never seen BK ride though,do you even still have a running boat BK?

Just have to throw a prop in it. It is roll ready. "Hey Geek, where is my prop"

Yeah, your head was inside your X2 the whole day I was doing rolls about 20 yards away from you.

 

[Matt_E]

No Matt thats not what it means,its cool,you guys can joke on my boat if you like,(even though most of you have never ridden it and know nothing about it)you can joke on my skills if you like,I ride to have fun,if I make it around one time I will be happy,I will say at least BK has actually seen me ride ,can't say as I have never seen BK ride though,do you even still have a running boat BK?

I was afraid you were going to get offended if I asked you a clarifying question on your BF statement.
So to make this perfectly clear, I am not poking fun or picking on you.
I'd just like to know what "3/4 of the way around" on a backflip means.

 

[Mark44]

I think its a fairly easy answer at 270 deg.

Mark44

 

[WFO Speedracer]

Just have to throw a prop in it. It is roll ready. "Hey Geek, where is my prop"

Yeah, your head was inside your X2 the whole day I was doing rolls about 20 yards away from you.

Sorry you are wrong there,I had a fuel tank crack about 5 minutes into the ride on the SX,so I put it back on the truck,the only problem with the X2 that day was the battery was not big enough to run both the bilge pump and the total loss,as I remember it I was the last one out riding that day on the X2.The next day I rode the SX with the fuel tank that I pulled out of the X2 that night.I never said I could roll a ski ,I in fact have never even tried to roll one,I really have no interest in it if the truth be known.

 

[Matt_E]

I think its a fairly easy answer at 270 deg.

Mark44

You'd think so, but the man clearly said "no" to that explanation.