Who's done a no foam refoam?

"Has anyone here or even your sister's friend's boyfriend's cousin ever heard of a catastrophic failure in the tray area? Not to my knowledge."

Yes, me. And I just ride flatwater with a stock superjet. Air Natique with 3000lbs of ballast =

But did your hood simultaneously come off and your engine die? If not, then no issue. Looks like you made it back to shore just fine.
 

SJBrit

Extraordinary Alien
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You'd only regret it if you had a rather large leak in the tray that allowed a couple gallons an hour. If the leak was big enough to cause you problems, then most likely your waterlogged foam wouldn't be much help either.

That's a small leak. A large leak fills the hull in 30 seconds.

Nope - mine's getting foam: I have way too much time and money invested in my ski at this point to risk it over such a small saving. Not foaming saves me 7lbs if I go for 2lb foam, or 14lbs if I go for 4lb. That's one or two gallons of fuel (one gallon = 6lbs). If I want to save some wieght I'd rather run a smaller fuel tank or just not fill mine up so full. Or perhaps a lightweight battery. But foam? No, I don't think that's a good way to save weight given the consequences. Insurance is awesome, but I have a lot of sweat equity in my ski and you can't put a value on that.
 

the WaTeRhAwK

fryin' up a/m electrics..
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I'm just gonna throw in a couple of ten speed inner tubes, and mount the valve stems to the hull somewhere and see how it works out.
 
Foaming certainly isn't wrong, but I also don't think that not foaming is as wrong or less superior than many people make it out to be. There are pros and cons for each and it really comes down to personal preference.

I do disagree about the size of the leak. If you're getting a couple gallons an hour in there, then you're going to have completely waterlogged foam in no time. That's a pretty serious leak and it deserves immediate attention with our without foam.

That's a small leak. A large leak fills the hull in 30 seconds.

Nope - mine's getting foam: I have way too much time and money invested in my ski at this point to risk it over such a small saving. Not foaming saves me 7lbs if I go for 2lb foam, or 14lbs if I go for 4lb. That's one or two gallons of fuel (one gallon = 6lbs). If I want to save some wieght I'd rather run a smaller fuel tank or just not fill mine up so full. Or perhaps a lightweight battery. But foam? No, I don't think that's a good way to save weight given the consequences. Insurance is awesome, but I have a lot of sweat equity in my ski and you can't put a value on that.
 

Matt_E

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I get a couple gallons an hour. I don't get more because the styrofoam doesn't allow for more.
I inspected the bottom deck and bond line and pressure tested the cooling lines. I cannot find the leak. I suspect it may be on the top deck under turf.
I installed versi plugs in place of drain plugs and don't worry about it any more. Continually draining now.
 

sjetrider

615 Freeriders are addicted to T1 madness.
That's a small leak. A large leak fills the hull in 30 seconds.

Nope - mine's getting foam: I have way too much time and money invested in my ski at this point to risk it over such a small saving. Not foaming saves me 7lbs if I go for 2lb foam, or 14lbs if I go for 4lb. That's one or two gallons of fuel (one gallon = 6lbs). If I want to save some wieght I'd rather run a smaller fuel tank or just not fill mine up so full. Or perhaps a lightweight battery. But foam? No, I don't think that's a good way to save weight given the consequences. Insurance is awesome, but I have a lot of sweat equity in my ski and you can't put a value on that.

Insurance is awesome, but I have a lot of sweat equity in my ski and you can't put a value on that.[/QUOTE]:dunno:

exactly. $6500 wouldnt cover the head ache of rebuilding what I want.

OH and foam still floats when its wet. I think I will go 4# foam in my new carbon hull, saving the weight on the glass to get the peice of mind of foam LOL. I need all 5 gallons of fuel and then some, I am ALWAYS the one getting towed back out of gas.:dunno:
 

WAB

salty nuts
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coastal GA
Do you guys think your insurance would cover the sunk ski if you took out all the stock foam?? :bs2: They know these things are supposed to float

Also, I have come to the conclusion that is impossible to completly seal the tray.
 
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Do you guys think your insurance would cover the sunk ski if you took out all the stock foam?? :bs2: They know these things are supposed to float.

If you are doing 80 on a back road and loose control and smack a tree will the insurance still cover you? YES. If you jump off of your house onto your trampoline and get thrown off and break a leg are you still covered? Yes Insurance does cover stupidity.

And you can get coverage for what ever amount you want. I have about double on my ski because that I would want to replace it. Do you think these guys with $30K in a ski run around with no insurance.. Insure it for what you think it would take to replace it and have Wamiltons build it or buy a built one from Malone and consider it an upgrade
 

Waternut

Customizing addict
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Macon, GA
And you can get coverage for what ever amount you want. I have about double on my ski because that I would want to replace it. Do you think these guys with $30K in a ski run around with no insurance.. Insure it for what you think it would take to replace it and have Wamiltons build it or buy a built one from Malone and consider it an upgrade

This is what I was thinking. Since I have a stunt hull that doesn't fall into any manufacturer category, I called it a mini jetboat on Progressive and still trying to determine a dollar value for what it's worth to me to replace it with something comparable. My ski wasn't designed for foam so it's harder to make the argument that I knowingly removed a safety feature. Although even if the argument is made that you removed the foam you could have a very legitimate argument on your side for why you removed it since it was so badly waterlogged.
 
I may of missed something, but what are yall using to re-enforce the footholds when running polystyrene foam? I'm thinking of using carbon fiber on the sides of the hull/tray and biax in the bottom of the tray. I have done fiberglass repairs and installed foot holds once so feel that I can tackle this. I have some 2 pound foam, might 2 pound the top and polystyrene the bottom and install drain plugs. I don't know, I'm looking for pointers.
 

SJBrit

Extraordinary Alien
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Bradenton, FL
I think the blue is for Yamahas and the pink is for Sea Doos.

Sorry - couldn't resist! Not sure what the difference is personally, but it's Friday and sunny so I am in a no-value-added frame of mind :)
 
So I should be good with some extra re-enforcing behind the foot holds then. Maybe glass around the foot hold on the inside and around the inside seam.
 
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