Surfriding Why shorten a hull?

[wydopen]

if u want to carve just use your back foot to push it through the turn if u want to keep it hooked up..steady on the throttle until your turn is complete...

to "slash" unweight your back foot at the apex of your turn and let off the gas for a sec if u want to initiate a slide..when u want it to hook up again stomp on the tail and gently roll back on the gas

if the wave is over verticle the only way not to pearl is to break the tail free and then use the lip to stop your slide and then stomp the tail and blip the throttle when u are coming back down the face..no need to hang your ass off the back like u are taking a crap either....id be interested to see if the shortened hull will let u go from sliding to hooked up as well as a stocker?

ive heard 08+s work allot better with a few inches cut off the back..they dont break free enough stock length to slide up the face when its actually hollow

 

[Waternut]

to "slash" unweight your back foot at the apex of your turn and let off the gas for a sec if u want to initiate a slide..when u want it to hook up again stomp on the tail and gently roll back on the gas

Funny, that's exactly opposite of what I have to do. The only way I can make a stock hull slide is to hammer the gas at full steering lock for a split second. Even that is kind of an art. Otherwise, I'm making a big pontoon boat style turn. With a shortened hull and a shortened ride plate, I can use a lot less throttle and have a greater chance of successfully completing my tight turn without "stalling the hull" (going into a half arsed tail stand).

 

[Breese08SJ]

Matt if you dont mind me asking how much do you weigh in full riding gear? And what did you do after chopping the rear to make the ski balanced or keep the nose down??? Longer ride plate? move the holds forward? Also were you running tubbies on the RN? If so how did you feel they faired for flat water and flipping off of boat wakes?

 

[wydopen]

when u are sliding is it somewhat of a controlled fashion??

the reason for cutting the throttle is so your motor isnt revving while your pump isnt hooked up..u are only off the gas when u are already sliding...so imagine u are going to do a regular turn but at the apex u release the tail by unweighting your back foot..in the two pics below u can see that im approaching the wave in almost the exact same angle and everything...for me anyways if i try to over accentuate the slide ill usually slide too much and not be able to get it hooked back up ...its a little different when u are on a wave but its pretty much the same principle

carve:

"slash"

when u are carving u need to lay the ski over by literally pulling it to the side with the pole..u can use your shoulder or whole body to "bounce" off the water to bring yourself back up..in the pic above im turning onto my toeside so i cant do that but u can use the leverage on the pole to bring it back up..in theory u can do a super tight turn hooked up or sliding..just depends on how u go about it..hooked up is obviously the fastest way

 

[tightithrash]

matt_e's RN was the freakin funnest RN i ever rode. if i still rode superjets i would be seriously considering cutting my hull. but you have to remember that matts ski also had a mag so the hook up was there. maybe if it was a stock pump it wouldnt have felt so good...... but WTF do i know.

 

[Matt_E]

Heh, nothing. :biggrin:

Thanks.

 

[Berky]

Sweet slashing and carving pics wydopen ! can't wait to finish a small wave (Florida) slasher ,it'll be supper loose'n skatey yet like the pocket.

 

[WAB]

I think certain tricks are easier because of how much quicker the hull responds.

agreed.
wydopen, if your hull was cut shorter you could have cut that slash alot later! :Banane37:

 

[wydopen]

Neither of those really count anyways because the wave isn't breaking yet and it's under head high hey berky, feel free to send out one of those hulls I'll let u know how it handles in the surf, just make sure it weighs 350+lbs ready to ride..lol

agreed.
wydopen, if your hull was cut shorter you could have cut that slash alot later! :Banane37:

 

[Matt_E]

I think what you need is an SXR-weight 550.

 

[LBE]

Didn't this thread start off asking about a Blaster?
I will have to post some pics of my Blaster transom when I get home. I would not go through the work of shortening the hull of a B1. I put on a 09 SJ nozzle on my B1, it has the trim ring set up. I have the nozzle slightly tilted up, and it gives me the same feeling as a short hull. Feels very light and rides nose high, and it breaks loose pretty easy. Also running the stock ride plate. When on a wave, and the nose starts to go down like it is gonna pearl, just give it more gas and the nose comes up.
As for the rear, I reinforced the lip, then filled it with foam and glassed over it to make it slope like. When you land tail first, the slope pushes the nove forward instead of bobing.

 

[infamy]

it seems like a lot of people shorten their hulls to make them easier to flip... this makes sense for flat water or maybe small east coast surf. but when i see someone flipping on a shortened hull on decent size surf they just dont look as impreseeive to me because they are spinning quicker and not getting the same height that a standard length hull would have to get to complete the rotation.

 

[Matt_E]

I admit that my original motivation for shortening my hull was the easier flip.
Ultimately though, I fell in love with the quicker handling and steering that came with it. Faster flips really didn't matter in the end.

 

[infamy]

dont get me wrong..i wouldnt mind messing around with a slightly shorter hull but not for backflips.

 

[Dustin Mustangs]

Didn't this thread start off asking about a Blaster?
I will have to post some pics of my Blaster transom when I get home. I would not go through the work of shortening the hull of a B1. I put on a 09 SJ nozzle on my B1, it has the trim ring set up. I have the nozzle slightly tilted up, and it gives me the same feeling as a short hull. Feels very light and rides nose high, and it breaks loose pretty easy. Also running the stock ride plate. When on a wave, and the nose starts to go down like it is gonna pearl, just give it more gas and the nose comes up.
As for the rear, I reinforced the lip, then filled it with foam and glassed over it to make it slope like. When you land tail first, the slope pushes the nove forward instead of bobing.

I am considering it on a blaster but was just curious as to why it is done in general and if it is typically a flatwater mod or if there are legit surf applications as well. I haven't seen too many blasters with shortened hulls so truthfully I am a bit hesitant to blaze the trail on this one with an otherwise perfectly good hull. I imagine if I do it I will make some bolt on extensions so I can try a couple of different lengths to see which works best for my type of riding. Your adjustable nozzle idea seems easier to implement and fine tune tho, great idea. And I was considering getting rid of the rear lip completely but you make a valid argument for keeping it in one form or another.

Thanks for the post...

 

[munki63]

Would a RN Shortened hull be worth less then a stock hull?

 

[SuziQ]

I am considering it on a blaster but was just curious as to why it is done in general and if it is typically a flatwater mod or if there are legit surf applications as well. I haven't seen too many blasters with shortened hulls so truthfully I am a bit hesitant to blaze the trail on this one with an otherwise perfectly good hull. I imagine if I do it I will make some bolt on extensions so I can try a couple of different lengths to see which works best for my type of riding. Your adjustable nozzle idea seems easier to implement and fine tune tho, great idea. And I was considering getting rid of the rear lip completely but you make a valid argument for keeping it in one form or another.

Thanks for the post...

I personally like his mods very much. His b1 seems light, stable, yet VERY easy to flick around in the surf! It is more fun!

 

[masterblaster]

Funny, that's exactly opposite of what I have to do. The only way I can make a stock hull slide is to hammer the gas at full steering lock for a split second. Even that is kind of an art. Otherwise, I'm making a big pontoon boat style turn. With a shortened hull and a shortened ride plate, I can use a lot less throttle and have a greater chance of successfully completing my tight turn without "stalling the hull" (going into a half arsed tail stand) .[/ QUOTE ]

i find on heelside turns,if you swivel your hips to the outside of the turn and get you weight inside the corner and over the center of the ski while holding the ski as flat as possible you can get it to slide out easily at any speed or throttle as the tail approaches the lip of the wave,a longer ride plate actually helps with this,as a d cut allows the back of the ski to ride deeper especially for riders around 200 lbs.the key is to get your weight transfered back before the nose dives at the bottom of the transition of the wave

 

[tipafew]

it seems like a lot of people shorten their hulls to make them easier to flip... this makes sense for flat water or maybe small east coast surf. but when i see someone flipping on a shortened hull on decent size surf they just dont look as impreseeive to me because they are spinning quicker and not getting the same height that a standard length hull would have to get to complete the rotation.

Some of us are just getting older and more fragile. We still want to flip but are afraid of landing those 20 footers like you!

 

[NVJAY775]

^^^ Roger that lol!