Other Why Stand-Up PWC's are no longer in production (School Project)

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Stunts

Location
Delaware
So say next year I buy a 2013 BOB, rickter, superfreak hull etc etc and put in a 2 stroke engine, can I register it as a 2013? Without a "racing" license?
 
kevbo

kevbo

Location
dfw
TBreezy said:
that is actually the main point of my speech lol just need a little info on why, but im going to put in the sales of sit down vs stand ups aswell.
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A more valid question may be "Why wont banks lend $10,000+ to an 18-25 male who will destroy the collateral in a year or two?" We will be back in business when that gets solved.
 
Cannibal

Cannibal

Tasty Human
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Summit Lake, WA
It's all image...well maybe not all, but it's part of it.

I don't know how many times someone has come up to me and said "I heard those things are hard to ride".

When a good portion of the public thinks something is hard, only a small number of them will step up to the challenge.
 
WaveDemon

WaveDemon

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Hell, Florida
TBreezy said:
that is actually the main point of my speech lol just need a little info on why, but im going to put in the sales of sit down vs stand ups aswell.
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the point of your speech is that Americans are fat and lazy? That's a pretty played out angle don't you think?
 
WaveDemon

WaveDemon

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Hell, Florida
Dear fellow classmates, you are too fat and lazy. Blah, Blah, Blah, anecdotal experience/evidence, followed by a few statistics. Repeat opening statement. The end.
 
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TBreezy

TBreezy

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Hamburg, Pa
dbattersby20 said:
americans are so lazy we can't even do the research for a lecture ourselves... we just ask a bunch of other fat lazy people on a forum.
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hahahaha that is actually hilarious and a very true statement, i asked on here because a lot of you have waaayyyyy more knowledge about the matter then me, and if you have looked on the actual epa page that thing is insane... and i just briefly said that was my topic which it is not, after many great comments about the matter i just went to comparing the sit down and stand -up pwc and how to attain a stand-up with the new laws in place and just giving the average pwc consumer the knowledge to purchase a stand-up. Another reason I asked on here was because people have thousands and hundreds of post on here... hence you guys live for this sh*t, and if ya didnt you would careless about a college student and a stupid speech... And to Cannibal I have the almost exact topic in my outline.
 
Snivilous

Snivilous

Location
SW UT
I'm proud to say I live in the ONLY state with a population under 20% that are overweight. And nice post^ I gave quite a few speeches last semester about my ski too :)
 
Gidge768

Gidge768

Location
Wappingers Falls Ny
I use to work in a dealership and I was told from are Kawasaki rep that Kawasaki actually lost out on making like 7 sit down skis to every stand up they produced. This was I think from the EPA. That was there way of forcing the market over and making the manufactures want to stop producing. The Manufacture just losses to much money from the limit of sit downs they are aloud to produce and that is why they stopped the market of the SXR. Goodluck with your paper...:)
 
Melmack

Melmack

(Timothy)
Location
New Braunfels, TX
Sorry, I didn't have time to read all the posts. Here's my 2 cents. I was there through the boom of the '90 s when all you had where small fun skis. Everyone wanted one and the lakes where packed with skis. The big skis did not come out of demand. Actually, in 1996-97, several laws where passed that forced the manufacturers to chose between blasters and super jets and SXIs or X-2s. They where only allowed to sell one regular two stroke and only 200 or so each year. Also, skis like the 440, 550, and FX-1 where killed off for the same reason. The stand ups and small skis sold well then. There was no need to kill them off. Polaris was barley able to convince the EPA to let them make the Octane, much like the way the SJ is barely hanging on today for "Race use only" EPA averaging laws meant that the manufacturers could only make one high emissions ski each. This meant 4 strokes, injection, and big bulky catalytic converters on everything else they made. The industry moved to the bigger hulls to compensate for the heavier, bulkier engines. If Yamaha or Kawi had their way, the inexpensive to produce stand up and small PWC would still rule. That's why you saw the blaster 3 and gen 2 X-2 over seas and not here. There is only one thing to blame for the death of our favorite skis, its the big brother, left wing EPA. Any other explanation ignores the facts of what happened due to goverment controls.
 
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Melmack

Melmack

(Timothy)
Location
New Braunfels, TX
One more thing, the only way to fix this is for the industry to develop a new power plant that is light and powerful like the 2 stroke. There is a solution. Several companies have made a small rotary that produces more power than a 701 but the same weight. These are much cleaner burning engines too. I have been working with two of these companies on a drop in replacement engine. Unfortunately, the cost is way to high($10k+). These engines are being used in Light aircraft and UAVs. This drives the price through the roof. So for now, we'll have to rely on AM to keep the sport alive. If you have parts and hulls, hold on to them.
 
dbattersby20

dbattersby20

Location
New Jersey
^^^one of the first threads i read on here was your very long thread about the 300sx and an alternative engine.

This is sort of a long the same lines as your presentation, i guess. I gave a lecture last week about biofuels in India, as an alternative fuel. obviously pwc's aren't turning to the very soon but biodiesel is being used more and more for engines.

Im in college as well...
 
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