Big Kahuna
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World finals live stream - Ustream?
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SpaceCowboy
breaking something
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- Ypsilanti Michigan
I sat in the riders meeting last year with all the riders and manufacturers and the ISJBA had no idea how they were judging. Everyone was asking questions and iceman suggested a rubric like the European freestyle has and they told him "good for you guys" and pretty much dismissed him. It's a complete joke.
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See the harness...now people are doing quick no-handed backflips without a harness.
I was trying to stay neutral to see what others thought but since you asked I'm not impressed. I'm not saying I'm not impressed with the skill level involved but just not impressed with either locking yourself in or holding your arms longer straight out to the side. Don't care how well its received I' just look at it as a gimmick type trick. I could care less if its used in competition or if its banned it just seems hokie to me. Kind of like how they lock their poles down now to get two footed aerial tricks completed. Its obvious you can do more tricks with a fixed steer setup why not just fix your steering? Again just seems gimmicky or hokie to me at that point. I was far more entertained by the fixed steer performance at the WF the past couple years than any of the pole riders.
makejetskiinggreatagain
Brandon
Those cheers were from me and my wife
Freakrider
X247
- Location
- Tampa Bay area
makejetskiinggreatagain
Brandon
Justin Sylvania really impressed me. He had an extremely entertaining routine considering he was only running a 900 motor. I was amazed at what he could do with his setup. Can't wait to see him next year.
makejetskiinggreatagain
Brandon
You have some nice fingernails freakrider
SpaceCowboy
breaking something
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- Ypsilanti Michigan
I get to watch Justin ride a lot and he is nothing short of amazing. He lives an hour from me. Great kid, great attitude, and just loves to ride.
makejetskiinggreatagain
Brandon
It shows. He is one of my new favorite riders. Wish I could have shaken his hand.
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BK I watched it again and did not see a body harness on Yamamoto...guess he is pretty good at hiding it!...My buddy competed against him and did not notice it too. Guess that just means Lee's is pretty obvious! Anyhow, where is this going with the harnesses?...Alex progressed the sport with a blindfolded backflip! Maybe next year the top three will need to do there runs blindfolded!...not sure if that is going to attract more to our sport though.
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Saw this on facebook, you can see the tether.
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Sad this ruined my night...I was still hoping that he did not use one, although I know BK is usually right on. You know there are several guys throwing no-hander backflips without a harness...so a scarecrow flip seems perfectly possible w out it.
...I'd say this Scarecrow HARNESS flip is the equivalent to a 1 footer backflip.
this ruined my night...I was still hoping that he did not use one, although I know BK is usually right on. You know there are several guys throwing no-hander backflips without a harness...so a scarecrow flip seems perfectly possible w out it. ...I'd say this Scarecrow HARNESS flip is the equivalent to a 1 footer backflip.
mike b
Michael "Mayhem" Bevacqua aka MikeyChan
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Not asking about rubric or judges. We see how that played out lol. What do X members think that actually know the tricks names, difficulty of the tricks and what was laid out these past few days.
Big Kahuna
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His tether hooked to his bars, Stones was under the pole. You could see Lee storing it under the bars. Taiji's being on left side of bar was easier to unhook and stow away. I dont have an issie with this. Call it a safety harness if you want.
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AleksandarPetrovic.com
Hi guys,
Regarding the controversy of Lee Stone and Taiji Yamamoto being tethered to their skis, as the inventor of it, I feel obligated to set the record straight regarding misunderstanding and misinformation about the tether.
Firstly, I understand both sides of the argument, the people who are supporting it as progression of the sport and the ones who call it cheating or an "easy way" of doing the trick. I will try not to take sides in the argument, just to clarify a few things.
1. These pilots did not break any rules, therefore by definition they did not cheat.
2. I am not exactly sure why people are up in arms over using tether NOW, because I have performed this originally 4 years ago, and even Lee Stone himself did this in Havasu night competition 3 years ago (you can find video on YouTube). Everyone in the sport knew how we did it, the rules were not changed, so it is no wonder himself or anyone since then would bring it back in a trick 3 years later.
3. As for tether making the trick easier to perform -- because so few of us have done it, you'll have to trust us on this one -- without the tether (and current way of operating a ski) it is physically impossible to release both hands from the steering for anything longer than a split second. Most importantly tether allows you to move your body away from the ski while doing the trick, so it looks great in photos. So, to answer this point -- yes, it would be possible to do the trick without tether, but it would be very, very brief, and not nearly as extended, ie. significantly less impressive. It is exactly for that reason that when I invented the tether, I had decided not to do the quick release of hands in mid-air, but rather a full 360, gymnastics-like, rotation and landing, thus defining it as a new trick called "The Paralyzer" as opposed to "no-hand back flip" or "scarecrow backflip". Here are two clips showing the difference (fast forward to 2m45sec and 10m12sec):
4. The safety part. This is a big one. When I invented The Paralyzer I was fully aware I was creating the most dangerous trick, because tethering yourself to a ski which can quickly sink is not helping you make trick safer, but rather the opposite. I have twice been in a situation where I was under water and could not release myself. The first time I was sure I was about to meet my maker, as the ski was about to sink and take me down. And in the video below you will see when in practice the tether broke and I basically folded in half upon landing, hitting my back on the nozzle. It took me 6 months to recover. Having said all that, my hope was always that only professional freestylers would do it, so therefore I would fully support banning tether for amateurs. The same applies to my blindfold backflip someone posted above, it is just too dangerous for amateurs. As for pros, I don't think any of it should be banned, because motocross freestyle is just as dangerous, and no one would consider lowering the size of ramps now that they helped the sport become popular.
5. The argument that tethering is not "pure" freestyle. I understand it seems like a step away from the norm, but so were the footwells and super flip bars. Without them today we would not be able to perform many of the tricks, and it is a progression of the sport, just like motocross freestyle. I can't speak for other pilots, but I can only assume they feel the same way as I do, which is that we are with you on this, and we'd much rather not have to use any additional hardware, but there is no other way to push the limits. At the end of the day, a pilot chooses which tricks he'll perform, while the judges reward him or not. No one is forced to use footwells, super flip bars or tether, and it is not guaranteed using any of them results in a win.
Regarding the controversy of Lee Stone and Taiji Yamamoto being tethered to their skis, as the inventor of it, I feel obligated to set the record straight regarding misunderstanding and misinformation about the tether.
Firstly, I understand both sides of the argument, the people who are supporting it as progression of the sport and the ones who call it cheating or an "easy way" of doing the trick. I will try not to take sides in the argument, just to clarify a few things.
1. These pilots did not break any rules, therefore by definition they did not cheat.
2. I am not exactly sure why people are up in arms over using tether NOW, because I have performed this originally 4 years ago, and even Lee Stone himself did this in Havasu night competition 3 years ago (you can find video on YouTube). Everyone in the sport knew how we did it, the rules were not changed, so it is no wonder himself or anyone since then would bring it back in a trick 3 years later.
3. As for tether making the trick easier to perform -- because so few of us have done it, you'll have to trust us on this one -- without the tether (and current way of operating a ski) it is physically impossible to release both hands from the steering for anything longer than a split second. Most importantly tether allows you to move your body away from the ski while doing the trick, so it looks great in photos. So, to answer this point -- yes, it would be possible to do the trick without tether, but it would be very, very brief, and not nearly as extended, ie. significantly less impressive. It is exactly for that reason that when I invented the tether, I had decided not to do the quick release of hands in mid-air, but rather a full 360, gymnastics-like, rotation and landing, thus defining it as a new trick called "The Paralyzer" as opposed to "no-hand back flip" or "scarecrow backflip". Here are two clips showing the difference (fast forward to 2m45sec and 10m12sec):
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Christian_83
Xscream
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- Denmark
Im pretty sure Brodie Copp and Christian Young has done the "scarecrow backflip" without a tether in the surf. I think it might be harder to do W/O tether on flat water, because faster rotation and less hangtime.
Anyways i think its a two sided sword, because there is no rule against tether and talking about Lee, he is the most innovative flatware guy.
First guy to do following flatwater tricks in competitions:
Superflip
Scarecrow roll
Can can flip
heel clicker flip
720
I dont know about scarecrow flip, if Lee og Yamamoto did it first.
But my personal opinion is, nobody should shoot it down, unless they can some the trick without tether or at least try
Lets focus on the progression of this sport and not limitations!?
Anyways i think its a two sided sword, because there is no rule against tether and talking about Lee, he is the most innovative flatware guy.
First guy to do following flatwater tricks in competitions:
Superflip
Scarecrow roll
Can can flip
heel clicker flip
720
I dont know about scarecrow flip, if Lee og Yamamoto did it first.
But my personal opinion is, nobody should shoot it down, unless they can some the trick without tether or at least try
Lets focus on the progression of this sport and not limitations!?
Big Kahuna
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He did not win the tie breaker. The tie breaker was for the 3rd round only. Not for the overall win.
N3vrSat1sfied
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- Fort Worth, TX
So that score sheet poster earlier doesn't mean anything?
Tanner was holding number 6 last I seen
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Tanner was holding number 6 last I seen
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