650/X-2 x2 runs great then looses power

Hey guys, trying to track down a weird issue on a friends x2. It has a 40mm keihin Carb and a prop. Otherwise its all stock. The ski will jump up on plane, run perfect for a lap or two, then kind of fall on its face. Stays on plane but drops power. Any ideas? Tuning issue?
 

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does it continue to run poorly unless you cut it off and let it cool down, then will plane out and do it again? or if you kind of let off the throttle and let it idle for a minute and take back off and runs correctly again for a couple laps?
 

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Check the petcock and fuel lines. Make sure the tank is full. You could be sucking air into the lines or blocking flow through a bad filter or w/e.

check for exhaust leaks
 
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does it continue to run poorly unless you cut it off and let it cool down, then will plane out and do it again? or if you kind of let off the throttle and let it idle for a minute and take back off and runs correctly again for a couple laps?

after it drops power, we had been bringing it back in to shore. I'd pop the hood, make a few carb tweaks, then it would fire up run perfect then do the same thing again. I pulled the vent hose off the tank, thinking that it may be failing, but no dice. I switched the whole exhaust setup from my 650sx (stock), minus the exhaust manifold, and still nothing, so im pretty certain there are no exhasut leaks. The only other thing i can thing of is i need a larger pilot jet. I originally jetted the 40mm keihin with a 155 main, played with a couple springs, and got it ripping pretty good. The only thing i never changed was the pilot jet. However, it ran absolutely perfect for 2 and a half days. then this issue popped up. would too small of pilot be causing this? Overall specs on the carb are 155 main, stock spring with 1.6 needle seat, and stock pilot. thanks guys I'll be stoked if I can get this resolved.
 
Check the petcock and fuel lines. Make sure the tank is full. You could be sucking air into the lines or blocking flow through a bad filter or w/e.

check for exhaust leaks

thanks vumad i will bypass the petcock with all new lines tomorrow. On a side note, it runs great on the trailer but they always do.
 
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You don't need to replace the fuel lines. Just blow them out with the air hose. They either block the fuel or they don't.

Check the internal fuel filter on the carbs inside the fuel pump. Check the popoff.

It wouldn't run for 2 days with that jetting and then suddenly stop running unless you leaned it out and damaged something. Check your compression.
 
You don't need to replace the fuel lines. Just blow them out with the air hose. They either block the fuel or they don't.

Check the internal fuel filter on the carbs inside the fuel pump. Check the popoff.

It wouldn't run for 2 days with that jetting and then suddenly stop running unless you leaned it out and damaged something. Check your compression.
I was gonna replace them in case there was a crack leaking air somewhere. But I will check the filter and report back. Compression is 150 psi with the stock head. Thanks for the help!
 
So i got a chance to tear apart the carb. found a couple issues. 1st, one of the fuel pump gaskets was in backwards. Next, the fuel filter had a big chunk of silicone in it. not clogging it but definitely slowing down the flow. I also bypassed the petcock. All the lines are good as well. I'll be taking it out in the next couple days to see if this was it. sure revs better on the trailer. thanks for the help guys.
 
dude im a idiot but we had a fuel problem for the whole season. someone posted if you unscrew the fuel cap it should have vacuum in the tank. mine didnt, so replaced the one way valves. they did have blow by in them and for the one ways should work one way but not the other. mine worked both ways. bought some at big A autoparts. Went back out all excited guess what dies after in hour. Unscrewed gas cap, still no vacuum. Found out the damn gas cap didt have a oring or gasket on it. I put my hand over the fuel tank outlet fired right up. just my experience.
 
dude im a idiot but we had a fuel problem for the whole season. someone posted if you unscrew the fuel cap it should have vacuum in the tank. mine didnt, so replaced the one way valves. they did have blow by in them and for the one ways should work one way but not the other. mine worked both ways. bought some at big A autoparts. Went back out all excited guess what dies after in hour. Unscrewed gas cap, still no vacuum. Found out the damn gas cap didt have a oring or gasket on it. I put my hand over the fuel tank outlet fired right up. just my experience.


first thing i checked ha. my sx did the same thing. irritating. im taking them out tomorrow so ill let ya know how it goes.
 

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dude im a idiot but we had a fuel problem for the whole season. someone posted if you unscrew the fuel cap it should have vacuum in the tank. mine didnt, so replaced the one way valves. they did have blow by in them and for the one ways should work one way but not the other. mine worked both ways. bought some at big A autoparts. Went back out all excited guess what dies after in hour. Unscrewed gas cap, still no vacuum. Found out the damn gas cap didt have a oring or gasket on it. I put my hand over the fuel tank outlet fired right up. just my experience.

Pretty sure it's suppose to have pressure, not vacuum.

Too much pressure can overwhelm the needles and seats and cause leaking venturis. However, a vacuum, or even a low pressure, can starve the motor of fuel. If the vacuum in the tank is higher than the suction from the fuel pumps, your motor will be starved for fuel. This need grows as engine RPM increases and causes the most problems at high RPM. It can also cause leaning and motor damage since the fuel delivery will be different than that which it is tuned for. This is no different than a clogged fuel line/petcock/filter.

Your one-way valve lets air in, while preventing air and fuel from getting out.

My Superjet always has pressure. It runs well. My X2 has no pressure. It also runs very well.

Vacuum = staving (if too high)
Pressure = leaking venturis (if too high)
 
alright guys, took it out yesterday, same frusrtating problem. ski jumps up on plane, the looses almost all its power. once it bogs down, there is no difference between giving it half throttle or full throttle. sometimes I can snap the throttle wide open and let go rapidly, it will pop up on plane and haul ass again for about 50 feet then bog down again. could the fuel pump just be getting weak and need a rebuild? Someone mentioned a weak stator. But it seems like a fuel delivery problem to me... any suggestions?
 
Sounds like a possible head gasket leak or cracked dome...

I would say if you run it in the watter and see lots of airbubbles coming out of your pissers that is the problem.

Do you have a compression guage?


Read the symptoms again.... Yha head gasket cracked head or dome is my vote
 
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Post a video of the running problem, and mount gopro inside the hull and post that 2.

If you have any doubts about your fuel pump check the pop off and rebuild it. A rebuild kit is inexpensive. Make sure the carb is right. Take out the jets and the screws. Soak them in chem dip. Clean the needle and seat very well. Make sure there is no corrosion on anything inside. Blow out all the passages. Rebuild the fuel pump and check the slave carb and make sure everything in it is perfect too.

You shouldn't have any doubts about your carbs. Start with the cheap and free by checking compression, fuel lines and all of the potential blockages in fuel delivery. No money in any of that. Check your carb, if it's not perfect, $50 rebuild and it rules that out. Replacing the plugs is almost free. Cutting the plug wires back is free. Lots of maybes that can be eleminated for almost no money.
 
Sounds like a possible head gasket leak or cracked dome...

I would say if you run it in the watter and see lots of airbubbles coming out of your pissers that is the problem.

Do you have a compression guage?


Read the symptoms again.... Yha head gasket cracked head or dome is my vote

I swapped out heads and still have the problem. compression is 150 psi in both cylinders.

Ill try to get a video of the problem. I stripped the carb down, all the jets and passsages are clear. I tried cutting the plug wires back as well. Im starting to suspect an air leak somewhere.
 
Does the one way valve on the tank work?

Did you pull off the watter catch bowl thing get rid of that all you need is the one way valve..
 
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