Other Yamaha oem made in China?

[Freakrider]

Anyone know what this is about and is it a quality downgrade now? @JetManiac heard/know anything on this?

 

[WFO Speedracer]

China has been making Yamaha stuff for years all of Yamaha's small ATV's and motorcycles are made in China now, they run down the same assembly line, one brand gets one color plastic and a Yamaha sticker set the other side gets different color plastic and JIanshe sticker sets. All Chinese junk no matter what sticker you put on it. I believe Yamaha owns 50% of Jianshe from my understanding.

Jianshe Yamaha Motorcycle: Product Range Made In China

Jianshe Yamaha Motorcycle (product range)

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[Hot Item] 250cc ATV with Jianshe YAMAHA Engine Mc-373

Transmission Type: Manual Engine Type: 4 Stroke Structure: Without Door Displacement: 250CC Transmission System: Chain Drive Fuel: Gas / Diesel

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[Freakrider]

China has been making Yamaha stuff for years all of Yamaha's small ATV's and motorcycles are made in China now, they run down the same assembly line, one brand gets one color plastic and a Yamaha sticker set the other side gets different color plastic and JIanshe sticker sets. All Chinese junk no matter what sticker you put on it. I believe Yamaha owns 50% of Jianshe from my understanding.

Jianshe Yamaha Motorcycle: Product Range Made In China

Jianshe Yamaha Motorcycle (product range)

auto-che.com

[Hot Item] 250cc ATV with Jianshe YAMAHA Engine Mc-373

Transmission Type: Manual Engine Type: 4 Stroke Structure: Without Door Displacement: 250CC Transmission System: Chain Drive Fuel: Gas / Diesel

bodevehicle.en.made-in-china.com

Never seen made in China on oem parts label until now tho. Those are midshaft seals, on the pump seals they say made in Japan.

 

[X2Kid]

I remember when I raced dirt bikes in the 1980’s the tire of choice was the Dunlop K139. When it came time to replace you had to make sure that it was with one made in the USA. An otherwise identical version was made in Japan and was known to be inferior in performance. Speculation at the time was that a lower-spec (but probably cheaper to produce) tire was used on new bikes as most buyers wouldn’t know the difference.

If a spate of seal-related issues develop in the future the place of manufacture might be a consideration.

 

[WFO Speedracer]

Never seen made in China on oem parts label until now tho. Those are midshaft seals, on the pump seals they say made in Japan.

Expect to see it a lot more

 

[bored&stroked]

I remember when I raced dirt bikes in the 1980’s the tire of choice was the Dunlop K139. When it came time to replace you had to make sure that it was with one made in the USA. An otherwise identical version was made in Japan and was known to be inferior in performance. Speculation at the time was that a lower-spec (but probably cheaper to produce) tire was used on new bikes as most buyers wouldn’t know the difference.

If a spate of seal-related issues develop in the future the place of manufacture might be a consideration.

Well known issue elsewhere as well. For years dunlop made excellent race slicks for bikes. Problem was, the UK made ones performed better then the US made ones. Supposed to be the same tire though.

 

[waxhead]

The quality you get from china depends on what you ask for from the supplier

 

[WFO Speedracer]

The main issue I see with Chinese made stuff is in the metallurgy, lots of parts being made and sold out of material that is basically crap, the most common problem I see is on aftermarket starters where the armature just shears completely off, you can't make good parts from crap materials.

 

[Kohldanielzimmer]

I don’t profess to be an expert in this arena by any means. Anecdotally though, it seems to me the Japanese culture intensely values perfectionism whereas China values sheer productivity. The latter CAN (but is not guaranteed) lead to decreased quality.

Regardless, I sure like Japan as a trade partner much more. Bums me out to see this.

 

[Big Kahuna]

The quality you get from china depends on what you ask for from the supplier

This...........

 

[Sparkplug]

People speak from ignorance

Most of these billet parts are made in China. Or Taiwan. Most vendors have China make their cast parts. Then they finish them over here.

China built some of the greatest engineering accomplishments ever. They surpassed us a couple years ago. Their airplanes are even better than ours now. What makes anyone think they can't get a doosan? Lol. They probably make those too

Only people stuck in 1972 think made in China means garbage. I broke tons of American made crap being a millwright.

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[brapperdoodle]

 

[Kohldanielzimmer]

People speak from ignorance

Most of these billet parts are made in China. Or Taiwan. Most vendors have China make their cast parts. Then they finish them over here.

China built some of the greatest engineering accomplishments ever. They surpassed us a couple years ago. Their airplanes are even better than ours now. What makes anyone think they can't get a doosan? Lol. They probably make those too

Only people stuck in 1972 think made in China means garbage. I broke tons of American made crap being a millwright.

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Value your input and I’m sure there’s a degree of validity here. But, we’re comparing Japan made vs. China made. Perhaps it’s just a personal bias and I need more time to overcome some of my historical unsavory experiences with some Chinese made products. After all, Japanese products were certainly seen in a very negative light in USA for a long time after WWII.

 

[mikidymac]

Value your input and I’m sure there’s a degree of validity here. But, we’re comparing Japan made vs. China made. Perhaps it’s just a personal bias and I need more time to overcome some of my historical unsavory experiences with some Chinese made products. After all, Japanese products were certainly seen in a very negative light in USA for a long time after WWII.

Very true, I am old but not that old and remember when the running joke of crap products was "Made in Japan", then "Made in Taiwan", "Made in Korea", now it is "Made in China". The point is at some point these manufacturing countries eventually get it right then the quality and price goes up then there will be the next crap "Made in ...". At the moment China is producing high quality and crap at the same time depending who is ordering and paying for the QC.

 

[smokeysevin]

This...........

The other half of that is how often you do inspections/visits. My former boss dealt with large forgings and castings out of mainland China and they were great when you for the first one/ten, great when you checked up on the facility and operation every few months or so, but if you let them keep running unattended they started having quality issues as time went on.

That's one anecdotal report but I have no issue believing it.

To @waxhead s point, if you make a part but don't give adequate specs, the default is cheapest is best on the mfg side, there is no incentive to make it better/more expensive than the customer asks. The fault is on you for being under specific in that case.

Sean

 

[WFO Speedracer]

People speak from ignorance

Most of these billet parts are made in China. Or Taiwan. Most vendors have China make their cast parts. Then they finish them over here.

China built some of the greatest engineering accomplishments ever. They surpassed us a couple years ago. Their airplanes are even better than ours now. What makes anyone think they can't get a doosan? Lol. They probably make those too

Only people stuck in 1972 think made in China means garbage. I broke tons of American made crap being a millwright.

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People also speak from experience, I deal with a lot of aftermarket parts , Made in Taiwan or made in Thailand seems to be better than made in China from my experience.

 

[Big Kahuna]

Years ago I had a Rep who went to work for a flooring manufacturing company that is based in China. He explained, The flooring is not coming from just different MFG's in China. They owned all the plants. The products were great. I even have a Bamboo floor from them that is awesome!!!!! We even met the owner of the company. She handled the sales side while her husband handled the production. Quality was good. But after a few years, not sure what happened. The Rep left (He is also a friend after 20 years of working with him), new rep just wasnt cutting it. We pulled the display. Think they started going the "Cheaper route" and he (Rep I liked) was not going to have anything to do with it.

 

[smokeysevin]

People also speak from experience, I deal with a lot of aftermarket parts , Made in Taiwan or made in Thailand seems to be better than made in China from my experience.

100%

There is a major quality difference in PRC (mainland) and Taiwan tools, its obvious if you pickup older harbor freight vs early model gearwrench/kobalt stuff but it holds true on almost everything else including the pricetag.

Sean

 

[kevbo]

Consumers generally have very little sense of value. They just want it as cheap as possible. US consumer products are also junk unless the buyer demands otherwise.

 

[waxhead]

The main issue I see with Chinese made stuff is in the metallurgy, lots of parts being made and sold out of material that is basically crap, the most common problem I see is on aftermarket starters where the armature just shears completely off, you can't make good parts from crap materials.

They could make a good one if the manufacturer of the part asked for it. They simply didn’t ask for the right quality because they wanted to save 36 cents