Totally agree. We always tell the manufacturer the material we want to use. We have had companies say we could save money by using this cheaper material. My concern then is if you would do that then you would do it with out telling us. We never used them
Those seals are still Ars brand seals. That particular item has been made in China for awhile. They fit a bit loose even in a brand new OEM midhousing. We had issues with them moving around just from pressing the shaft in. We have been gluing all of our outer midshaft seals in for this reason. Ironic that a/m seals fit tighter/better in the housing.
But not you? Please enlighten us…
Please share some of the top five 'greatest engineering accomplishments ever' by China.
Which Chinese planes are better? Commercial aviation? Military planes like fighters?
By stealing American (and other countries) intellectual property. That’s the only way their space program is where it is today. Not impressed by anything that country “accomplishes”.
Yes, you're absolutely right and I couldn't agree with you more! Chinese are NOT innovators, they're just great at being copycats.
I'll take anything made in Mexico before China lol.
Okay I don't have to butt it here but yeah I have heard enough, I work on mostly on Yamahas, and Seadoos, I went through the whole Yamaha powervalve engine FIASCO , all while listening to everyone spew how reliable Yamahas are, I rebuild Yamaha engines at a ratio of about five Yamahas to every one Seadoo, those are just facts. On a Seadoo I can have the electrical box open in about 30 seconds, on a Yamaha well you are going top be there a while, on a Seadoo I can have the starter off in my hand in less than ten minutes, on Yamaha it's about an hour of BS removing exhaust manifolds and exhaust pipes, we won't even talk about scraping and reinstalling the exhaust gaskets. From my perspective Seadoos are much easier to work on and make money off of, these are facts, whether you agree, disagree or don't care is up to you.I installed a new complete brake line assembly on a CanAm ATV last fall with the same "Made In China" on the OEM label. That explained a lot to me as to why the quality of the CannedHam is so poor. BRP/CanAm/Sea-Doo from personal experience has been the absolute worst products on the market to work on for over complexity which leads to very rapid break down of parts and toss on the place of origin for manufacturing, it's no wonder why I see so many of their products up here on the used market for sale so soon after their original purchase. I've never had any good experience with things made in Chinar <-- that's Aussie slang
I'm just stating the facts from my experience too. Sea-Doo using ceramic washers in the super chargers that grenade, soft drive shafts that twist and refusal to warranty, intake grate bolts held in by locktite right under the heat exchanger that falls out after the heat softens the compound and the boat randomly sinks, rotary valve systems with constantly problematic leaking counterbalancer seals, inferior handlebars on the Sparks breaking on the riders under harsh waves, side panels that just fall off from jumps while being the direct access point to the intake and below the water level in the footwell, Renegade ATVs that require 4 hours to replace a front hydrualic brake hose because the entire front end needs to be dismantled to do it, same deal to install a winch bracket, same deal to access the electrical parts under the seat, OEM parts support becomes NLA for every model year when it reaches 10 years old, constantly changing configurations to force a person to buy either new machines when the old ones expire or to limit the chance of cross platform capability confusing the beans out of everything and making it all virtually proprietary dealer only parts like sled temp sensors...just experience talking but I've never had to go through that much work to keep a Yamaha or Suzuki or even Polaris for that matter in operation. It's all just personal experience, some have better luck with their machines, some just like the complex setups, I don't. You do you, I'll do me.
Every manufacturer goes through a learning curve, in Yamahas case they didn't learn anything, they put catalytic converters on 2 stroke jetskis when they had already failed on RZ350'S, they revised the power valve design 5 times but never recalled them, customers got to foot the bill and they still do to this day. I don't get a lot of the newer ATV's so I cannot speak on what is going on there. I do know that as a whole all the manufacturers are moving more and more into Chinese parts, which is not good for anyone working on or buying their stuff. I have a bout four more years to go in this business then I am out, I have already started cutting way back on repairs starting this year, hopefully I will never see most of what you are referring to.
It's not good man, I have seen far too many over complicated blunders in that brand. I'm not going to say Yamaha didn't have their issues either, I just know I have had far fewer Yamaha products to work on than BRP. I have moved away from BRP entirely and just refuse to work on them anymore. Yamaha had one of the dumbest ideas in ATV design with their early 2000's Kodiak putting a frame/engine mount molded into the cylinder head. Those were bad for vibrating the head gasket texture into the head and cylinder deck causing coolant leak through the gasket surfaces. The late 90's Big Bears had bad boring processes done making the cylinders slightly out of round causing constant oil burning lol. They're all subject to problems for sure at one time or another, I've just never had so many constant problems pop up with any other brands...well...Arctic Cat lol...there's a reason why I call them Arctic Scrap and stick with their modified old slogan...instead of "more to go on" I say "more to go wrong" lol. That's about the bottom of barrel on quality. I just spoke with a dealership last weekend and the owner agreed saying they at least keep her service dept. very busy lol. The sad part is Polaris and Arctic Cat were bought out by Textron (Polaris in the 60's, Cat in 2017) and probably the only truly North American made powersports products...but their quality is absolutely terrible too. I wonder how much of their product lines are China made parts
I pretty much feel the same way about Polaris products as you do about BRP, I pretty much refuse to work on them, when you have three generations of stator update kits you have serious problems, thank God they stopped making watercraft, Kawasaki had a whole line of 300 Bayous come through with cylinders way out of round as well and who knows how many recalls on JS 300's, we call Artic Cats Sh!tty kittys around here. I love me some Honda ATVs, Yamahas are pretty good as well.It's not good man, I have seen far too many over complicated blunders in that brand. I'm not going to say Yamaha didn't have their issues either, I just know I have had far fewer Yamaha products to work on than BRP. I have moved away from BRP entirely and just refuse to work on them anymore. Yamaha had one of the dumbest ideas in ATV design with their early 2000's Kodiak putting a frame/engine mount molded into the cylinder head. Those were bad for vibrating the head gasket texture into the head and cylinder deck causing coolant leak through the gasket surfaces. The late 90's Big Bears had bad boring processes done making the cylinders slightly out of round causing constant oil burning lol. They're all subject to problems for sure at one time or another, I've just never had so many constant problems pop up with any other brands...well...Arctic Cat lol...there's a reason why I call them Arctic Scrap and stick with their modified old slogan...instead of "more to go on" I say "more to go wrong" lol. That's about the bottom of barrel on quality. I just spoke with a dealership last weekend and the owner agreed saying they at least keep her service dept. very busy lol. The sad part is Polaris and Arctic Cat were bought out by Textron (Polaris in the 60's, Cat in 2017) and probably the only truly North American made powersports products...but their quality is absolutely terrible too. I wonder how much of their product lines are China made parts
Toyota too. I love my Tundra but the inherent defects are brutal, 100% the fault of poor design and strangely 100% my problem to cure. How does that even work out logically?? Rear differential bearings made wrong, the update kit cost $3500 to buy and have installed. Front CV driveshaft bearings, still super loose from 2007 to current. You can grab a shaft, push it up and down and get about a 1/4" of play out of it. There's an aftermarket kit that uses properly fitted bearings but it's about a $400 usd kit to cure what should never have needed a cure. There has been at least 5 driveshaft updates since 07, the rear leaf spring pack is known for snapping the second from the bottom spring. Then it slides forward and rubs through the fuel tank from flapping around if you don't catch it soon enough. There's a voluntary recall on the Tacoma for it but not the Tundra...of course there isn't lol. The box is made in 3 pieces, floor and both sides. The sides are just seamsealed to the support pads which water gets in and rots the floor to side seam out. The waterpumps are just a terrible design lol, I'm on my third one since I bought it in 2014. But, if it was my old f'd 150 with the Triton V8, the motor would have been shot about 110,000 kms ago...I think thats about 80,000 miles or so converted. I've never had an f'd 150 live beyond 220,00 kms before the motor was beat from typical daily driving. So there is that going for the ol Tundy...and she's sexy as h3ll
I've had the opposite experience with Ford. My ranger and F150s have never had an engine issue. I lease now, but I used to put more than 350k on them. F150's had most parts original too. Just did ball joints and one U joint on the rear drive shaft on my 06 with 370k.Toyota too. I love my Tundra but the inherent defects are brutal, 100% the fault of poor design and strangely 100% my problem to cure. How does that even work out logically?? Rear differential bearings made wrong, the update kit cost $3500 to buy and have installed. Front CV driveshaft bearings, still super loose from 2007 to current. You can grab a shaft, push it up and down and get about a 1/4" of play out of it. There's an aftermarket kit that uses properly fitted bearings but it's about a $400 usd kit to cure what should never have needed a cure. There has been at least 5 driveshaft updates since 07, the rear leaf spring pack is known for snapping the second from the bottom spring. Then it slides forward and rubs through the fuel tank from flapping around if you don't catch it soon enough. There's a voluntary recall on the Tacoma for it but not the Tundra...of course there isn't lol. The box is made in 3 pieces, floor and both sides. The sides are just seamsealed to the support pads which water gets in and rots the floor to side seam out. The waterpumps are just a terrible design lol, I'm on my third one since I bought it in 2014. But, if it was my old f'd 150 with the Triton V8, the motor would have been shot about 110,000 kms ago...I think thats about 80,000 miles or so converted. I've never had an f'd 150 live beyond 220,00 kms before the motor was beat from typical daily driving. So there is that going for the ol Tundy...and she's sexy as h3ll
You've been doing well then. I've never had one live beyond 230 k. My last one had the head gasket blow out at 129 k. Constant issues with it, then a buddy of mine bought a new 2018 with the ecoboost v6. He couldn't keep it on the road a full month. It spent 16 visits per year in the dealer for recalls and warranty. Once his lease was up he ditched it and moved to a different brand. The list of major issues was impressive lol. Cam phasers, driveshaft, front diff, wheel bearings...at only 37,000 kms lol. I can't remember it all or even a touch of how many problems he had but he's never going back to them...me either lol.
