650sx vs 2014 Superjet what can I expect?

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I sold a 1988 Kawa 650sx in 2006 and have wanted to get back into the sport ever since. Found a 2014 SJ, can anyone comment on whether it will be on par with what I had before. Looking to drift, turn in on itself, ride the bow to a fountain, jump boat wakes and big lake waves, submarines and maybe I can try and nail a barrel roll.

Appreciate your advice
 
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All the two stroke Superjets will be easier to ride. Superjets have better thrust and the hull has some grip so it can turn flat. I ride both skis and I find the 650sx more challenging to turn and stay on top of. The 2008 and newer hulls are more race oriented so they do everything better as speed increases. I don't think they are as much fun otherwise.
 
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All the two stroke Superjets will be easier to ride. Superjets have better thrust and the hull has some grip so it can turn flat. I ride both skis and I find the 650sx more challenging to turn and stay on top of. The 2008 and newer hulls are more race oriented so they do everything better as speed increases. I don't think they are as much fun otherwise.
I really liked that I could drift the 650sx are you saying that isn’t possible on an SJ hull. When you talk about the 08’s plus are you referring to kawa or SJ?
 
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He is talking Superjets Kawi stopped making 650;s long before 2008
Thanks, so in your opinion if my main goal is to find a machine I can have fun on and practice freestyle, I should be looking for what year or what brand? I am not looking for a high performance freestyle machine that I need to be a skilled mechanic to run. This is for recreation.
 
I rode a 08+ superjet and hated it. Guy didn't even tell me it was a 08+ and I knew withing 200 ft on the thing. They lean instead of slide. Im sure a guy could figure out how to shred one. But the 96-07 are just better. Maybe I'm a old dog stuck in old ways. But I hate the newer ones. They tried to hard to compete with the sxr and ruined it
 

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Thanks, so in your opinion if my main goal is to find a machine I can have fun on and practice freestyle, I should be looking for what year or what brand? I am not looking for a high performance freestyle machine that I need to be a skilled mechanic to run. This is for recreation.
2007 or prior year Superjet
 
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I rode a 08+ superjet and hated it. Guy didn't even tell me it was a 08+ and I knew withing 200 ft on the thing. They lean instead of slide. Im sure a guy could figure out how to shred one. But the 96-07 are just better. Maybe I'm a old dog stuck in old ways. But I hate the newer ones. They tried to hard to compete with the sxr and ruined it
What about Krash, Richter or other brands? Any opinions
 
What about Krash, Richter or other brands? Any opinions
Yeh. I ride a dasa 1100 xfr. As a rec ski. I flip and roll it. But also ride a couple miles up and down river. I've been riding about 14 years now tho. So your experience may differ.

I have a fr2 evo. And it's badass. Tracks alot better at high speed. It's also 701 so alot more calm. I never ride it tho. I just ride my xfr. People will tell you short hulls can't do rec. They are crazy. And prob ride 2 hrs a week or something
 

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@canuk I went through your learning curve starting in about 2015. Here's what I know or what I have read and learned from the people who are posting in this thread, who btw are reputable:

The 1994-1995 Square Nose SJ have the same bottom hull as the 1996-2007 Round Nose SJ.

The 1994-1995 Square Nose SJ has a 61x 701cc engine with a single carb.

The 1996-2020 Round Nose SJ have a 62t engine with dual carbs, which makes more horsepower than the 61x engine and are more difficult to tune because of two carbs.

The 61x engine has more bottom end torque and thus is more freestyle oriented than the 62t engine which is more race oriented.

A 62t engine with a 61x cylinder is the best of both worlds because you have the bottom end of the 61x with the extra hp from the dual carbs of the 62t.

From what I can tell from reading here, the cat's meow is a 1996-2007 Round Nose SJ because it has the playful bottom hull of a Square Nose, but the better top hull/pole of the Round Nose.

All engines in anything you look at may have been replaced. In fact I bought a 1994 SN SJ which I thought had a 61x 701cc single carb engine in it.

But lo and behold it had a 6m6 650cc which I did not know because of my ignorance. So watch out.

The FX-1 is truly a unicorn. Only 1500 were made worldwide and they were only made in 1994 and 1995. They are like a Kawasaki 550sx on steroids. They are not as forgiving as a 550sx. Very few people can ride them well. The best rider I personally know has a 1994 FX-1 which he can ride phenomenally. But he never rides it because he prefers to ride his pre-2008 RN SJ which he can barrel roll off of a wakeboat's wake. He also surfs his RN in the ocean.

Get a SJ with a 701cc of any variation in great shape and ride it.

I have been told to learn to tune it properly along with adding a B-pipe and later you will have even more than enough power.
 
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I've owned all the Yamaha skis. The 96-07 sj is the best.

That one you linked is good to go. Doesn't look too heavily molested. Buy it. You won't regret it. Ride it as.is for AT LEAST an entire season. Just gas and mix. No bs add ons. It's got em. Once you can hold that skinwide open and yank th3 bars left and right at will, while doing mini stabs left and right, at will, you can start buying more upgrades. Until then. The ski can out ride you
 
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@canuk I went through your learning curve starting in about 2015. Here's what I know or what I have read and learned from the people who are posting in this thread, who btw are reputable:

The 1994-1995 Square Nose SJ have the same bottom hull as the 1996-2007 Round Nose SJ.

The 1994-1995 Square Nose SJ has a 61x 701cc engine with a single carb.

The 1996-2020 Round Nose SJ have a 62t engine with dual carbs, which makes more horsepower than the 61x engine and are more difficult to tune because of two carbs.

The 61x engine has more bottom end torque and thus is more freestyle oriented than the 62t engine which is more race oriented.

A 62t engine with a 61x cylinder is the best of both worlds because you have the bottom end of the 61x with the extra hp from the dual carbs of the 62t.

From what I can tell from reading here, the cat's meow is a 1996-2007 Round Nose SJ because it has the playful bottom hull of a Square Nose, but the better top hull/pole of the Round Nose.

All engines in anything you look at may have been replaced. In fact I bought a 1994 SN SJ which I thought had a 61x 701cc single carb engine in it.

But lo and behold it had a 6m6 650cc which I did not know because of my ignorance. So watch out.

The FX-1 is truly a unicorn. Only 1500 were made worldwide and they were only made in 1994 and 1995. They are like a Kawasaki 550sx on steroids. They are not as forgiving as a 550sx. Very few people can ride them well. The best rider I personally know has a 1994 FX-1 which he can ride phenomenally. But he never rides it because he prefers to ride his pre-2008 RN SJ which he can barrel roll off of a wakeboat's wake. He also surfs his RN in the ocean.

Get a SJ with a 701cc of any variation in great shape and ride it.

I have been told to learn to tune it properly along with adding a B-pipe and later you will have even more than enough power.
Ok.wow that is a lot of info. How does one tell what engine is in it? Or how many hours are on an engine?
 

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The other posters in this thread know more than me, so listen to them. Assuming that you want a more playful Super Jet, you will be looking for a 1996-2007.

Personally, when I buy an older vehicle, especially a vehicle which is popular with younger men whom may have gotten caught up in the "modifying" fad, I try to buy a pristine, visibly less used vehicle, in its oem stock form. And I am willing to pay more for it in lightly used stock form.

When you start from a "garage queen" relatively unused and thus likely less abused vehicle in its stock form, you can always modify it later. And you can make a decision about how and what to modify and really learn from making the modification(s) yourself.

If you buy a visibly more used, modified vehicle, you better have it checked by someone who knows what to look for, or you better have some reason to trust the knowledge and experience of the seller and you better test drive it yourself.

You are doing the right thing by asking questions here.

Since you are less into rail carving race type riding, you are looking for a 1996-2007 Round Nose SJ like @Sparkplug said.

That said, the engine compartment of the '02 looks clean and well taken care of and deserves further inspection and investigation. But consider @kevbo's concerns, he is a pro jet ski repairman.

@WFO Speedracer is an experienced professional jet ski repair man of few but very accurate words -- see what he said below.
 
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What about Krash, Richter or other brands? Any opinions

Aftermarket skis are cool, but coming off a Superjet to a Krash I'm not sure I like the aftermarket hull feel. At this point I will be going back to a Superjet eventually. The Krash feels like riding a Penny skateboard haha

After spending tens of thousands of dollars on jet skis, I now know that I could have had an equal amount of fun on a $3000 Superjet. Some upgrades are worth it, some aren't. Buy a Superjet and be happy :)
 
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I've owned all the Yamaha skis. The 96-07 sj is the best.

That one you linked is good to go. Doesn't look too heavily molested. Buy it. You won't regret it. Ride it as.is for AT LEAST an entire season. Just gas and mix. No bs add ons. It's got em. Once you can hold that skinwide open and yank th3 bars left and right at will, while doing mini stabs left and right, at will, you can start buying more upgrades. Until then. The ski can out ride you
Much appreciated. Other than a water test, is there anything I should be on the look out for as far as what I could visually inspect without taking things apart?
 
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