900cc vs 1100cc +

hink320

hink320

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sask, canada
masterblaster said:
I dont believe in such a thing as too much power,its very easy to bring power levels down with a few water changes for surf and chasing boats,then when you want max power for flat water fun,quick change back.
truerider,whats your impression on the throttle response and low end power of those 2 setups, They are made very sim in terms of flow though right? Throw a few more things in hypothetical comparison,85 mill pistons,nikisil bore,larger transfers,and aux exh ports. IF the price were really significantly lower than a 1100 or even bigger motor needing billet cases and was capable of throwing big flat water tricks and perform well in surf, would larger cc be necessary ?

hink.. the ET is a nice option right now,the dyno time put in to get those ports right is impressive,as well as the other parts tested and changes to the power curve documented,is a real plus,less hype more facts means alot if you ask me.
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I can give you my opinion on @truerider411's 900 and 1100. I rode the 900 before I ever rode his 1100 and I was always very impressed with the power and throttle response. It has instant throttle response and makes great power. The 1100 felt like it has a very similar power band to me, it just had more power.
 
Big Kahuna

Big Kahuna

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Tuscaloosa, AL
TheBuzzard said:
so you think i should bog down my freak with its dasa 1000, TL, PFP, novi 48s,race/AV gas boat, so it can be used for surf or so it wont have way too much power to hit big boat wakes without shooting to the moon and falling out of the sky like a stone and landing like a ton of bricks? thats not realistic for anybody. now if you have a 1000 with stock ignition, bpipe, 44 carbs, regular gas running POS, that may not have too much power for boats or surf, but it wont have enough for quality flat water fun either. i dont want to chase boats and wear out a big dollar motor by doing that.
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Im with Buzzard on this. You do not want to detune a 1000'cc stroked crank to use for chasing boats or surf riding. A good 701-800cc ported motor is perfect for that.
 
j0hnny

j0hnny

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detroit MI
i tried the compromise ski. i hated it. im setting my 750sx up with tubbies and trim and -2" hull for boat chasing an surf. and running a flat water only hull with total loss and all the goodies. i dont want to boat chase on race gas lol.
 
masterblaster

masterblaster

X-H2
Big Kahuna said:
Im with Buzzard on this. You do not want to detune a 1000'cc stroked crank to use for chasing boats or surf riding. A good 701-800cc ported motor is perfect for that.
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well of course you do?

This would obveously not apply to someone trying to build a flatwater only hull like a dvx ect ect using race gas,again,not mass market. Im referring to the tons of rickters,krash hulls,superfreaks,tigercraft,on and on that do make good dual purpose rides...,you know like the other 90% of people with one sweet ski.

I use to have one nice carbon ski and 2 sj skis with smaller motors,I never liked riding the heavy skis and found it a total pain in the ass to have to keep the cheaper ones running good as well.Sold them all including a paper weight of a blaster that always sat around,freed up a ton of space in my garage,got me down to a much smaller trailer and way less crap to maintain and work on,best thing i ever did. {In this case I truely found less is more.
Wavejunkis use to ride 701 crap for years on heavy sj hulls,IF you think you can perform the same with that kinda setup on east waves as a rickter,sf,or krash hull with a 900,then good luck to you.
 
TheBuzzard

TheBuzzard

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the jetski grave yard
there aint no such thing as a dual purpose flat water/boat surf chaser. there are some surf/boat chasers that do have barely enough power to get around on flips n rolls on flat water, but i dont consider barely getting around to be worth doing. if you live by the surf, stick with a surf boat. if you ride ponds, get as much HP as you can. hull type goes hand in hand with power needed and riding type. last time i counted i had 205 jetskis. i couldnt imagine only having one or 2.
 
zimmy

zimmy

truerider411 said:
In my mind the only dual purpose ski that even comes close is the kdx. It can be full blown competition and yes i chase boats with it. my dvx is not a very good boat chaser, my xfs was not a good boat chaser.
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I have often wondered how the KDX would handle surf, anyone had one out in some decent size waves to report?
 
masterblaster

masterblaster

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TheBuzzard said:
hospitals and graveyards are full of guys with big balls and small brains.
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lol very good analogy.doesnt get anymore real than that.

While you dont see many 1200 motors in the surf,you do see a bunch around 900,they are super fun in east coast small surf, and very capable in flat. Bottom line is anyone who is close enough to surf to get good at it but still rides flat closer to home occasionally will be diggin a dual purpose hull/motor. But if a very capable 900 was mass produced that bridged the gap price wise between the 780ish big bores and the 1000 ish I think alot more flat riders would be looking at it as well...

Ive had stacks of jetskis,turbo cars,street bikes,moto x bikes at once. After keeping up with all the bs associated with owning them all, Ive found far less headache in dealing with just what i actually use, I suppose if your the type that needs a good reason to get away from a nagging wife and get in the garage to make time go away its cool, Im at the point id rather be in the house at night workin on a hot wife...lol
 
TheBuzzard

TheBuzzard

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the jetski grave yard
speedysprocket said:
If I had the property to keep them, I'd definitely have more skis! More is always better!
I'd like to see the buzzard's graveyard of skis! Which ski is most common in a collection of over 200?
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440 is obviously most common since they were produced for the most consecutive years.
and i dont think or classify a surf 900 to be anywhere near enough power for flat water. i know since i weigh in the 220 range, no boat is going to perform as well as the boat with the skeleton stuck to the bars.
 
masterblaster

masterblaster

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true,heavy weights are better on the most hp and lightest hull they can buy if you wana go high,again though the mass market are much closer to the skeleton analogy....lol
 
masterblaster

masterblaster

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Will be interesting to see how many super jets are left in market this yr at Tona. Yr before last they were already thining out big time. I remember just a few yrs ago the largest majority were sj. I've never seen such a clean sweep change in a short time with any motor sport
 
shawn_NJ

shawn_NJ

Chasing waves.
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Daytona Beach
I'd be interested in the type of motor you are talking about. I have an SS865 now, which is good power for surf, but rather mellow for flat. In a rickter which is very fun in the surf and fun enough for flat. I rode surf/flat almost 50/50 this year. I would not drop the $$$$ for billet cases, but wouldnt mind having some more power. Was kicking around installing TL after Daytona to get some more flatwater power.

And I could not agree with you more on cutting back on the amount of "stuff" to wrench on. Had 6 skis, 2 dirt bikes, outboards, ect, ect, and after every weekend it was a marathon of wrenching, carb cleaning, and part buying. Best thing I ever did was sell it all for one good jetski setup. Thinking of building a ski to leave at my house in FL and just dreading having another thing to maintain. New policy I have is I have to sell something before I buy something. Only keep what I actually ride.
 
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