Freestyle Affordable Power......... It's COMING
- Thread starter scottie mac
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Philip Clemmons
Owner, P&P Performance
- Location
- Richmond, Va
Yes and no. If something fails at the water and everyone sees your new engine broken, they don't see your builder, they see a failed TPE engine. First impressions are everything. The reasoning is simply to try and maintain some quality control over a new product. There are some things that need to be checked that most average guys overlook (pressure testing, squish, rod clearance, etc. ). TPE wants to ensure the builder has the ability to verify these important items so that the engine delivers all the performance and durability it's designed to! I recently had a new top end from another vendor with new oem cases come in with a squish that would have caused an immediate failure. No one was at fault, but if it had not been checked, the engine would have failed.
TPE just wants to ensure your product is assembled and tested properly. Contact them via email with your builder info and I'm sure they will get back to you promptly.
Philip Clemmons
Owner, P&P Performance
- Location
- Richmond, Va
Like I said, contact via email. They want to be sure your stuff is done right and works well. If you have a reputable builder, they may sell you what you need.
- Location
- marion ohio
you'd be amazed at the emails that come in with questions like "can i just bolt this to my 61x cases?" "I have a big bore already, I should be able to bolt this to my cases right?"
"Everybody else sells top ends why did this stop? If my guy messes it up then its my problem no?"
Is everyone else offering a kit with 95mm pistons? the TPE cylinder is a bit different than other kits. And if we sold a kit without making sure the buyer fully understood what was involved with installing them, how would that look? Would it look like we actually care that you get the best bang for your buck and want it to be done right so you're happy?
As Phil said......shoot an email over to discuss.
"Everybody else sells top ends why did this stop? If my guy messes it up then its my problem no?"
Is everyone else offering a kit with 95mm pistons? the TPE cylinder is a bit different than other kits. And if we sold a kit without making sure the buyer fully understood what was involved with installing them, how would that look? Would it look like we actually care that you get the best bang for your buck and want it to be done right so you're happy?
As Phil said......shoot an email over to discuss.
I'd like to chime in on this. The reasons for stopping the idea of selling top end kits have been listed. We're not trying to insult anyone, just making sure that builds meet certain criteria. As for the WaveDaze top end, we will work out the details with the winner. The reason for the auction of the cylinder kit is to help Dan pay for some of the promotional aspects of WaveDaze. I want to help the sport as best I can, even if it means bringing in some riders who don't ride TPE (there are no sponsored riders), and I do enjoy watching TC ride, and others will get to ride with one of the best in the sport. It also promotes the sport and thats what matters. As for the "affordable power", well, these engines bring big power at a more affordable cost. Once again, not trying to insult, just trying to do it right and help grow our sport.
- Location
- amarillo ,tx
It definitely makes sense to me.
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Paul
- Location
- Seattle, WA
Understanding that a top end 'kit' is no longer available - If when placing an order, can a buyer provide new or good condition cases and crank to help subsidize the cost? I especially ask cause if and when I am ready to order, I'd like to use a PHP light weight crank in replacement of the SS crank.
scottie mac
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You can lead a horse to water.......
Erik, I have an old 650 yamaha sitting in the corner collecting dust. Will you sell me a top end, I think I can get it to work.
For all of those who are wanting a top end, you are going to pay someone to build the engine, set up the cases, etc. Why not have the guy who DESIGNED the motor do the work. Or, one of the few builders out there who he recommends? Just makes sense to me.
SM
NVJAY775
My home away from home.
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- Gardnerville, Nevada, United States
Deposit in yesterday on a 964. Very stoked!
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- Braapp factory
2 x 1105s in final stages of build for two very excited UK riders
DAG
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- Location
- Charlotte, NC
- Location
- Morris Ct
Dag ill pm it to u
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Jamie FN Hickey
- Location
- Palm Coast FL
The X knows drama! Just like Phil said it doesn't matter who built it or what caused an engine failure. Someone is going to see the cylinder and blame a failure on the cylinder even if they didn't add any premix to their fuel before it failed. Everyone is so quick to point blame. All TPE is trying to do is make sure every customer is satisfied with their product. It's not like Erik isn't allowing other builders to assemble and build the engine but it's very smart business practice to make sure the builder is reputable and knowledgable enough to build and represent this engine without high possibility of failure. He is just trying to protect his name and product in this small industry. It would be easier and more profitable to just blow out a bunch of cylinders but instead he cares more about customers being happy with his product instead of trying to maximize his income. I watched Erik approach every TPE customer at Daytona just to make sure they were happy and asked if there was anything he could do to help with tuning etc. you won't find this level of caring from another engine manufacturer.
In my opinion, If the short block is all he offers that's the way it is. If you don't like it go buy another motor for the same price. Sorry to sound so bold, but people have to make some cash to make it worth while. $4,000+ - $5100+ is a pretty fair price. I'm not sure what the turn around rate is, but to me it sounds like a rider trying to help out other riders the best they can. I would love to see what TPE has to offer, try to keep positive if possible.
Couldn't agree more, its an amazing price for a motor. Anyone that wants a cheaper motor option is out to lunch, from what I hear these motors are worth more. Don't stress too much on the hot doggers that just want to buy the cylinder and try to do it themselves, they are a drop in a bucket compared to the potential.
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- Morris Ct
Originally 5 yrs ago that was the plan to eventually make a kawi version, but chances are slim of that happening.