Freestyle Affordable Power......... It's COMING

masterblaster

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Ill still take the tpe over that particular 1000 10 mill...thats just a bad benchmark to compare from. Ive owned a tpe SS to compare from with a well done 1000 we have here on pfp with a decent setup mag pump that would be more realistic. Its all in the details for both setups...get either right and your detuning for long surf rides.. It will be interesting to see how long the maintenance intervals are between a bigger heavier piston pulling on a SS crank, VS a smaller lighter piston on 10 mill crank moving faster through the bore.We will all find out soon enough...
 
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KTM434

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Jamie FN Hickey
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We will see... I think the bigger piston on a nikisil bore with 180 compression will be less stressful to crank bearings and cylinder bore than a 10mil stoker crank in a steel bore with increased side loading and piston speeds... And who buys a stroker to run 180psi compression. Most stroker owners don't spare any expense for power and run high compression. Nobody asked about the extra piston weight on a Dasa with 95mm pistons, what makes it an issue now?
Was this other Dasa you speak of running a charging ignition and 180psi compression? Dasa engines usually need TL to hide their weak bottom end and get it into the midrange where they actually make power
 
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masterblaster

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how about a light weight small piston in a nikasil bore with,$750 lightweight 10 mill crank,that cost similar to a SS to rebuild?

agree.. dasa motors on low comp not setup right are lack luster off bottom,this is many . This one is 180 psi,93 oct, stock FW,enhanser,pfp. Getting the water right in the pipe and motor,make a huge diff,once that is further dialed it ought to get real interesting. I know quiet a few guys riding 10mills with pump fuel that rip,not everyone plays in flats excusivly with race fuel setups
 
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Rebuild cost is still higher, initial purchase price is much higher, and lifespan will be shorter . If you're referring to the TC Freeride pro Rickter team they don't run pump gas. Mark Gomez was trying to sell his fresh 93 octane pump gas at the Daytona Freeride because he couldn't run that in his ski. As for your Dasa on low compression, you admit it's a tedious process tuning it for power down low with mild compression and charging ignition yet it's a 10mil stroker. Still a problem in my eyes. I'll be honest I prefer riding over tuning and tuning in the surf is a pain so I just prefer to buy an engine that makes power. Paying more for an engine then testing my skills to find the hidden power doesn't interest me. TPE made it too easy for me. Pay less and get more
 
masterblaster

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Im not a brand fan,you just picked a bad comparison is all. I saw some of the rrp team here at wavedaze runnin race fuel,hard to cover up that smell....lol. im talking strictly 93 oct. I think you would be surprised at the initial cost,of some of the things im talking about, crank rebuild cost is close and negligible at that level.Lifespan will be the kicker,We run both here,we will see on that one. Im with you paying more for less doesnt make much sense..at least their is no sleeve dropping issue in the nikisil type motor,thats deff worth a mention
 
zimmy

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masterblaster said:
with a well done 1000 we have here on pfp with a decent setup mag pump that would be more realistic.
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Someone running this setup in our neck of the woods in news to me, especially one that could come close to comparatively set up TPE 964....

Who owns this setup you are talking about?
 
mindless

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masterblaster said:
Im not a brand fan,you just picked a bad comparison is all. I saw some of the rrp team here at wavedaze runnin race fuel,hard to cover up that smell....lol. im talking strictly 93 oct. I think you would be surprised at the initial cost,of some of the things im talking about, crank rebuild cost is close and negligible at that level.Lifespan will be the kicker,We run both here,we will see on that one. Im with you paying more for less doesnt make much sense..at least their is no sleeve dropping issue in the nikisil type motor,thats deff worth a mention
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I'm one of the self appointed "guinea pigs" running an SBT crank in my TPE 964. Phil's got this thing dialed in with more power than I know what to do with, and he says there's still lots of power left to tap (he says I need a bigger prop)... If i have to replace that crank every year, it's still less than $300 every year if i do the rebuild myself. You can forget the expensive stroker cranks at least from my perspective, my stock stroke has more than enough power to flat water flip my backie chan.
 
964Chris

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Dan can you post your pump/prop setup so people can see what kind of power the 964 is putting out? Helps show the comparison of what prop their motor is running compared to a TPE setup.
 
waterfreak

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964Chris said:
Dan can you post your pump/prop setup so people can see what kind of power the 964 is putting out? Helps show the comparison of what prop their motor is running compared to a TPE setup.
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We are running a custom 14/19 skat with the 965 with TL and solas mag. This set up is spot on !!
 
masterblaster

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I thought more would bandwagon on the dropped sleeve dasa issue in a tpe thread.It happens to alot of dasa cylinders,the fact that some people dont know just further proves how most people keep motor issues and failures to them selves at least while they still own that brand and need service and parts.and continue to get it....You never hear about those kinda issues until riders switch brands,or becomes such a epidemic the company cant afford to replace them any longer....
Dan your ski did make good power.. especially for a semi budget build. props But ive seen too many sbt grenades in less than yr,you wont be saying that if it happens to you and the rod clears a trench through the side of a cast cylinder that will be impossible to repair perfect again.sounds like pushing penny-wise pound foolish
Pretty soon a light weight 10 mill for $700 will be a no brainer
 
zimmy

zimmy

zimmy said:
Someone running this setup in our neck of the woods in news to me, especially one that could come close to comparatively set up TPE 964....

Who owns this setup you are talking about?
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Im still trying to figure out who runs this setup...
 
mindless

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masterblaster said:
I thought more would bandwagon on the dropped sleeve dasa issue in a tpe thread.It happens to alot of dasa cylinders,the fact that some people dont know just further proves how most people keep motor issues and failures to them selves at least while they still own that brand and need service and parts.and continue to get it....You never hear about those kinda issues until riders switch brands,or becomes such a epidemic the company cant afford to replace them any longer....
Dan your ski did make good power.. especially for a semi budget build. props But ive seen too many sbt grenades in less than yr,you wont be saying that if it happens to you and the rod clears a trench through the side of a cast cylinder that will be impossible to repair perfect again.sounds like pushing penny-wise pound foolish
Pretty soon a light weight 10 mill for $700 will be a no brainer
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This is my fourth SBT crank in my fourth completely different motor. So far I guess I've been lucky....
I haven't had a crank failure, but of course I wasn't making this kind of power before.

Once ADR puts their stock stroke crank out, I'll be switching to an ADR for my TPE. But for now, I'll keep running the SBT.
 
masterblaster

masterblaster

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craig...youll fig it out eventually...

Dan..thats great luck with SBT cranks,find some wood to knock on. The adr crank would be very good insurance at the very least
 
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