Freestyle Affordable Power......... It's COMING

XJCrawler

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Nuklear6 said:
Please take into consideration i didnt ask or imply for anyone to post my pricing in this thread. And coming from a micro sprint engine building background i like the nikasil bore. I love to see you guys trying to make that thing come together. Now back on track with this thread....
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scottie mac said:
It's a public forum, but this is a thread on True Performance and its products and services.

I totally agree on the hull builder comment, unfortunately.

SM
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I don't know Nuklear at all, sorry for bringing his product into this, but some one asked. I've looking at upgrading to an 1100 lately and his engine was interesting. It was just more a response to everyone saying its way cheaper then billet.

I'm definitely interested in this motor aswell
 
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Matt_E

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XJCrawler said:
I don't Nuklear at all, sorry for bringing his product into this, but some one asked. I've looking at upgrading to an 1100 lately and his engine was interesting. It was just more a response to everyone saying its way cheaper then billet.

I'm definitely interested in this motor aswell
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Pretty sure part of the point was that this motor will make more power than comparable billet motors at less maintenance cost and probably less initial cost. That's how I took it.
 
DAG

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How thick is the nikasil coating? Is the idea the bore never wears only the coating? Is the coating honed to size once recoated?
 
BrightE's

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Paul
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Seattle, WA
DAG said:
How thick is the nikasil coating? Is the idea the bore never wears only the coating? Is the coating honed to size once recoated?
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Adding on to this. When you eventually do get through the nikasal coating, and are in need of a re-coating, is any damage (scraping/scaring) that may have been caused to the casting filled in by the next coating?
 
KTM434

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Jamie FN Hickey
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Palm Coast FL
DAG said:
How thick is the nikasil coating? Is the idea the bore never wears only the coating? Is the coating honed to size once recoated?
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It's only a few thousandths of an inch thickness. Yes the idea is to maintain the same bore size and only monitor the plating for wear. You wouldnt use a rigid hone but you can lightly hone with a ball hone for a crosshatch for ring break in and oil retention.
 
todc207

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When I raced Snow-x 1999-2007 all of our race sleds came with Nikasil cylinders and out of 5 sleds ridden super hard I only had to re-Nikasil one cylinder. The stuff is super strong and reliable. This is not a new technology. Really nothing to worry about IMO
 
masterblaster

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Matt No one is saying anything to the tune that this motor will make more power than any other brand.I still think people will be very surprised the power this motor makes for the price point. The other points you mentioned are indisputable though..

I think its totally expected to see price comparisons and other motors mentioned in a thread like this. Its all about dollars and this motor makes cents...lol Anyway.... obviously the budget standpoint is really from the SS motor. Since most people already have a 701 case and crank..The kind of power you can make with this 965 is something most guys will find very doable for a dual purpose surf/flatwater ski. If they have any experience riding any of the other SS billet motors for much more $ and the type of power they produce,you already know what I mean..
If you have $1400 for a 10 mill crank you are not really that concerned with a budget motor,or if your trying to build a dedicated flatwater ski at all for that matter.This 10 mill ver is just for the few people that might wana save a little dough for a other bolt ons Time and testing will tell how the 10 mill stacks up to the others out there,since we have some in our group to directly compare them too.
 
masterblaster

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Scott,the one you saw at Tona is not the same one I was talking about back then..That was another design..it was nice,but no where near as capable as this prototype..it used sleeves and wasnt this afforable to produce,just wasnt worth bringing to the market on a large scale
 
Matt_E

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Sorry, I thought it was implied that it would be more capable than any billet cylinder of that size because it's cast, is sleeveless and nic'd, and has interesting ports.
 
masterblaster

masterblaster

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Those points may well all be true,but in terms of comparisons so much is subjective,we will just have to let the people who demo these setups come to their own conclusions.This would be far less bias.. I think some people are really going to be surprised though to say the least...
 
masterblaster

masterblaster

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powder coating doesnt work well on salt exposure long term.. anodizing is a far better choice for salt water use..Most of these will ultimately end up in the ocean
 
Twinturbostang

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The impurities in cast make it hard to anodize.
Powder coating if done right is fine in salt. All OEM stuff was always coated, Yami and Kawi both felt it was ok with the number of skis going in salt water.
 
masterblaster

masterblaster

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it does last a while,We have had alot of parts,like poles and bolt ons that were powder coated that didnt last anywhere near as long as oem..Im guessing oem coatings were done far superior to most a/m powder coating today
 
Twinturbostang

Twinturbostang

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Not to get off topic. But it's all about using a good coater. Powder goes bad over time. And to save money some shop will buy in bulk and use powders after the date they are best used by. And prep has a ton to do with it too.
The guy we use is top of his game.
 
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