Freestyle Affordable Power......... It's COMING

Jetfiend

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Right on XJ

That's awesome! I appreciate your input. How's that B pipe working on that monster?

I got a Dasa 900 by trade, so I feel like I'm unbiased as I didn't really spend a dime. When I was considering purchasing engines with my own money, I was looking hard at the 964. Once proficient with this setup, I will be looking for something larger. Will be great to see what's next from TPE.
 
KTM434

KTM434

Jamie FN Hickey
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Palm Coast FL
Watrboy33, I don't care what you or anyone else buys whether it be Dasa, XS, PHP, ABLE, ADA, etc. makes no difference to me but if you think everyone on here is giving a biased review then you're either not reading much or you're a very skeptical person. Many of the reviews I've seen on here are from people that asked questions about these engines in the beginning like myself. They decided to buy and for the most part I'd say they've given very positive reviews after running it. A very common question on here is " how does it compare to ______ engine?" So for people to compare they are only answering questions. Do you think Keith and Kev from the UK and Wattsy from OZ are biased even though they're in another country? People may be excited about their new engine myself included and they give their review but I'd say most are far from biased. I rode a Dasa 1200 on race gas and TL and it was definitely more powerful than my 964. I think people would expect that and there's no suprise there. Pricewise there's no comparison but maybe I look less bias now. "Affordable power" is a comparison within this market for a given price point and engine size. If I told someone who doesn't ride jetski that I have a $3-4k engine in my jetski they'd think I was ridiculous. I think it's hard to express an engine without giving a single comparison, it paints a better picture for those that haven't tried one but may have tried others out there. I don't like lending my ski to a bunch of people but there's a handful that have tried it since the Aquabot and TPE are still fairly new competitors. I haven't heard a single bad review. Some people I ride with are die hard 701cc powered surf riders who don't like big engines and they even commented on how linear the power was. Buy what you want. I didn't buy billet because the extra weight landing upside down may be more likely to kill motor mounts or inserts, the special cooling line setups associated with billet, and the port shapes on a billet CNCed cylinder is limited. So for me it was either stick with OEM, find an old Lamey with trusted porting or try something new and innovative. If I sold my 964 and ran a 701 I'd still be happy to ride
 
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964Chris

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Watrboy33 said:
But I have to be honest and I'm not being negative, but I haven't read a truly unbiased review yet. The only one that comes close is Mindless and I'm not sure if he's getting any love from them or not? I'm sure their engines make great power because I trust SM and Todd's opinions. It would be great to hear it from someone outside the circle.
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Is the insinuation here that everyone that has commented on our cylinders is part of the TPE inner circle?

I can guarantee that they're not (we'd be broke...or even more broke to be accurate haha)...... some of them have posted reviews DESPITE blown deadlines and our lack of organization. That should tell you something there. Even with our delays and mistakes some of our customers experienced, they still posted their thoughts on the cylinders.
We are working hard to get production up quickly and you'll be seeing that very soon with the amount of orders going out the door. Lots of announcements are coming very soon. We have a couple of motors in France now that will be reviewed by some top level international riders at the IFWA in Montalivet and UK. Todd and I are headed there next week.

Being skeptical comes with the territory, totally understand that. Hopefully we can change your mind. We should have a couple of motors headed out to your area very soon. Please try one out, would love to get more feedback on them.

Thanks.
 
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KTM434

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Jamie FN Hickey
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If you want an unbiased review I'll tell you this: N3vrSat1sfied is coming to FL next month with his ski and wants to ride surf while he's here. I've never met him but he seems like a respectable guy and I just like meeting new people to ride with and I'm trying to coordinate a ride with him. He's never ridden an Aquabot or tried a TPE but has expressed interest in a 964. I'll let him take a spin on my ski and he can post his review if he'd like. Can't get much more unbiased than that. If he hates my ski I want him to post that because it won't bother me, I built it for me to ride. I just post reviews to help others and I think most people appreciate it but there's always going to be a select few that don't. Can't please them all... Posting here doesn't benefit me in any way
 
wanderer1

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KTM434 said:
No thanks.
Sorry for pro posting a review and having an opinion. With posts like yours everyone will buy things blindfolded not knowing what they're getting
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And we have all seen how that has worked out. KTM, what power plant did you have prior to this? I understand that you have ridden a lot of different setups but I ask because people set stuff up different.
 
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Jamie FN Hickey
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My last setup was a 200psi pump gas freestyle ported Riva big bore 61x/62t 771. Was a very impressive engine that hit hard off the bottom and kept pulling but definitely faded off faster being a non powervalve engine and spinning a smaller impeller pitch. A lot of it is in the setup but it was impressive enough that I'd buy another, I'd just be concerned that the Riva employees may have forgotten how to setup the old 62t engines since they're so involved with the big 4 strokes now. I compared with other big bore setups from different builders and was usually left being more impressed by Rivas work.
Sorry if I took your comment the wrong way River Rat, just want to be clear that I'm not benefiting by posting a positive review. I've ridden other engines that I've liked and could be happy with like I've said in the past. There's a lot of good options out there, I just like the design of the TPE and although nothing is perfect Erik has been a pleasure to work with and definitely stands behind his product more than most. That alone is more valuable than the power it makes IMO
 
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Jetfiend

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964Chris said:
Is the insinuation here that everyone that has commented on our cylinders is part of the TPE inner circle?

I can guarantee that they're not (we'd be broke...or even more broke to be accurate haha)...... some of them have posted reviews DESPITE blown deadlines and lack of organization. That should tell you something there. We are working hard to get production up quickly and we think you'll be seeing that very soon in the amount of orders going out the door. Lots of announcements are coming very soon. We have a couple of motors in France now that will be reviewed by some top level international riders at the IFWA in Montalivet and UK. Todd and I are headed there next week.

Being skeptical comes with the territory, totally understand that. Hopefully we can change your mind. We should have a couple of motors headed out to your area very soon. Please try one out, would love to get more feedback on them.

Thanks.
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Chris, I appreciate your honest response, hopefully I didn't come off differently from my intentions. You guys don't need to change my mind on anything, I support what you guys are all about. When it's time for a bigger powerplant, I will be talking to you guys. I don't know who gets help or not, so responses like XJcrawler gave are what I was looking for, that's all.
 
masterblaster

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CARBONX2 said:
I will see when the engine needs a rebuild, maybe by then TPE has a +16mm version that I can bolt onto my cases. Maybe something closer to a square bore/stroke ratio, maybe an 85 or 91 piston. I can see the triple exh port making lots of power so a smaller cc TPE should definitely make more power than a single port engine.
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cha ching,that along with a few other casting tricks
No need for a big money 16 mill,the lightweight affordable 10s coming would be plenty sufficient
along with making maintenance intervals much longer
 
964Chris

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Watrboy33 said:
Chris, I appreciate your honest response, hopefully I didn't come off differently from my intentions. You guys don't need to change my mind on anything, I support what you guys are all about. When it's time for a bigger powerplant, I will be talking to you guys. I don't know who gets help or not, so responses like XJcrawler gave are what I was looking for, that's all.
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It's hard to get true intention from typed words, they can easily be misconstrued........ that's why I started my comment off with the question and then an explanation. No worries, this thread is for open, honest discussion and we appreciate the questions, comments, and feedback. We have a lot to learn and are always looking for ways to improve what we're doing.

MOST of the comments we get here help in one way or another. Hopefully we see more feedback as more of our motors make it out to our customers.
 
SKI BONEZ

SKI BONEZ

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Ill give my 3 cents input...#1 chris is awesome and a trust worthy guy if he is involved. In something u know its awesome...:) #2 all the guys involved are very dedicated and honest no b.s. no games ...erik was very helpful and honest...#3 the best one I've rode lots of motors and hulls. And there is a lot in tuning that makes a motor what it is...but I can say this...I rode some perfectly tuned on race gas billets.( I don't wanna say the names) and then rode that tpe 964 with a bpipe and msd enhancer in a surf layup aquabot (wow) for just slapping it in it was in the same range of power if not more cause it was more usable power... and I watched the motor go in the night before and tried it the next day...so I know there was no magic...lol I'm sure with gettin it dialed in and equal setups it will dominate...as for the 1105 didn't get the chance but can only imagine...:) (((my only complaint))) is what about us guys that wanna compete??? Erik ...chris...etc... we need a 900cc. Its something to consider it would be awesome to see a affordable flat water comp motor... anyways...awesome power awesome people...

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mindless

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Watrboy33 said:
Agreed with the first part Wanderer1, others (like Zack Bright) on here should take notice and learn how to construct a professional response. I have been interested in this motor since the initial debut. I talked to Todd at WF about it and have been following this thread. But I have to be honest and I'm not being negative, but I haven't read a truly unbiased review yet. The only one that comes close is Mindless and I'm not sure if he's getting any love from them or not? I'm sure their engines make great power because I trust SM and Todd's opinions. It would be great to hear it from someone outside the circle.
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Full disclosure, I'm local to Erik and he's a friend, but I'm a paying customer. :)
I've ridden DASA and Xscream stock strokes, 10 mil dasa & 5 mil lameys (these motors were definitely set up correctly by P&P), I personally have an Xscream 718, and a GroupK 760 big bore, so I've tried lots of different motor set ups, and I've yet to be as impressed by a motor as I am by my TEP 964 for my style of riding.

Best advice is don't take any of our words as gospel, and go test ride one.
 
KTM434

KTM434

Jamie FN Hickey
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964Chris said:
All in one ride without a break? Good luck holding on that long.
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